2011 French Open SS: Semi-Finals Sat 29-October

[AlanY]

Brice Leverdez & Dionysius Rumbaka...

didn't LD took a game off LCW twice in a match quite a few times recently?

 

[Justin L]

Did you see LCW dump his racket after the win? He s never done that. It s not relief, not elation, just sheer satisfaction at putting the walkover-lucky upstart in his place. By the way, what I don t understand is how come CL could not defeat LCW in G3? CL had a rest day and 7 years younger so should have the advantage in stamina. What happened to CL s mental strength? Or stamina advantage counts only at the Finals stage, SF is one match too early? How come CL couldn t close out G1, with 3 game points? No luck or lack of mental strength? Isn t evaporating CL s 3 game points proof of LCW s mental toughness? Or was it sheer luck that CL happened to be mentally weak at closing stage?

CL yesterday didn't play with the same intensity,sharpness,accuracy and ferocity as in the two previous matches against CW,plus he made more mistakes and CW had a few lucky breaks - it could have been 2-0 to CL. Only in G3 that CW won, and I'm sure in his heart he knew it. Again,just my two-cents worth,we can agree to disagree. Both CL and CW are great players,but time is definitely on CL's side,the more so when CW AND LD will be retiring in one two years time;by then I hope to see other players emerge to challenge CL to keep the badminton world entertained,excited and very much alive.

IF not,would you and I as well as other BCers bother to exchange our views,support and argue with each other?

 

[Justin L]

cobalt replies, while polishing nails and looking suitably modest:
"Oh it was nothing, really! Just a moment of inspiration that comes now and then, about 5 times a day, say..."

Actually, I think KT read my post on his thread. And just when they all thought he was gone, he stood up from the dead, and as the bullets came he put out his hand and said, "No." And LD collapsed in a heap. And so, here is born the legend of Kenichi, "The One." Remember, you heard it here first, from cobalt.

Yes,Cobalt from Arrakis,the fun guy,the poet,the jovial and humorous,the imaginative and creative one,the court jester(hoped you don't mind this one)...[I've run out of accolades,my mind isn't as fertile as yours]

 

[pjswift]

As everyone is gauging on CL's improvement due to his consecutive wins over LCW, his main forte is his commitment to dethrone the world no 1 and his interest is esctatic as can be seen by his euphoria when he gets to triumph over LCW. Many don't see his one sided track to solely beat LCW and in doing so really does not feel threatened by LCW's skills. That is his main forte. CL may even lose to other players in time to come due to his over zealousness to beat LCW. He path to finals has been lucky and gifted with walkovers. What do you guys think?

It s not forte. It s called rote training. Like how some students try to ace their exams. Spot questions, concentrate all efforts on those, the questions come out, they ace, other questions come out, they flunk. Kevin Cordon was one question that CL did not prepare for. But not bad actually,CL just barely flunked. Some questions are very tricky, like Tago. He has no clear pattern of play yet. Tago s syllabus is infinite so it s not efficient preparing for it. Just have to hope Tago s slow start lasts for 1.5 games. LCW s question s only scary when he takes the trouble to tweak his syllabus 20% throughout a match.That s enough to cause havoc and panic to a rote-trained mind.

 

[pjswift]

CL yesterday didn't play with the same intensity,sharpness,accuracy and ferocity as in the two previous matches against CW,plus he made more mistakes and CW had a few lucky breaks - it could have been 2-0 to CL. Only in G3 that CW won, and I'm sure in his heart he knew it. Again,just my two-cents worth,we can agree to disagree. Both CL and CW are great players,but time is definitely on CL's side,the more so when CW AND LD will be retiring in one two years time;by then I hope to see other players emerge to challenge CL to keep the badminton world entertained,excited and very much alive. IF not,would you and I as well as other BCers bother to exchange our views,support and argue with each other?

But you are always so good at imagining what could be going through LCW s mind. So how about imagining what s going through CL s mind in G3? Why was CL less intense, sharp, accurate, ferocious? What happen to his mental strength? Why did he run out of ideas? Why did CL panic? Tell us, mind expert, describe it all what you think went through CL s mind.

 

[Pakito]

Tomatoes & Tomartoes

It s not forte. It s called rote training. Like how some students try to ace their exams. Spot questions, concentrate all efforts on those, the questions come out, they ace, other questions come out, they flunk. Kevin Cordon was one question that CL did not prepare for. But not bad actually,CL just barely flunked. Some questions are very tricky, like Tago. He has no clear pattern of play yet. Tago s syllabus is infinite so it s not efficient preparing for it. Just have to hope Tago s slow start lasts for 1.5 games. LCW s question s only scary when he takes the trouble to tweak his syllabus 20% throughout a match.That s enough to cause havoc and panic to a rote-trained mind.

Different ways of putting it into the same conclusion.

There are tomatoes and there are tomartoes.

 

[eaglehelang]

IF not,would you and I as well as other BCers bother to exchange our views,support and argue with each other?

MS isnt the only match in a tourney. There's always MD,XD, WS, WD. Personally, I prefer to watch MD, XD over singles

 

[eaglehelang]

I think it is not the MAS coaches alone ! Darren Liew game against CL in R2 also contributed ! Darren Liew took the shuttle earlier has caught CL off guard in few occasions in R2 should has contributed to LCW game strategy today !

So, you're suggesting Liew Daren was a 'test run'? Then BAM should send Darren et al out more, to test2

 

[chris-ccc]

MS isnt the only match in a tourney. There's always MD,XD, WS, WD. Personally, I prefer to watch MD, XD over singles

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Ah...... That's because these events can be won by different countries.

In WS and WD, it's usually CHN-vs-CHN. And with some match-fixing/acting, we find some matches giving us strange/funny results.

In MS, fortunately we have LCW, PG and TH, otherwise with just CL, LD and CJ, MS will be another event not worth following too.

Many of my Badminton friends don't even follow tournaments; Just because there is so much match-fixing/acting going on.
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[chris-ccc]

So, you're suggesting Liew Daren was a 'test run'? Then BAM should send Darren et al out more, to test2

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It looks like Liew Daren is Malaysia's No.2 MS player currently.

If BAM will not be sending him out to participate in more tournaments, it should be best for him to go independent too and leave BAM.
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[chris-ccc]

am i the only one that say Chen Long will defeat LCW again?
matches at their level are all on their heads.
skillwise there are hardly anything between the top 4 or even top 8, it's how you perform on the day and that mainly in your head.

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Just found your post.

Not to worry, Chen Long could defeat LCW in their next match.

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[pjswift]

Different ways of putting it into the same conclusion. There are tomatoes and there are tomartoes.

You are right. CL s forte is in rote training.

 

[chris-ccc]

You are right. CL s forte is in rote training.

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Don't be surprised that CL will defeat LCW in their next match (after CHN examined why LCW won in their previous match).
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[OneToughBirdie]

As everyone is gauging on CL's improvement due to his consecutive wins over LCW, his main forte is his commitment to dethrone the world no 1 and his interest is esctatic as can be seen by his euphoria when he gets to triumph over LCW. Many don't see his one sided track to solely beat LCW and in doing so really does not feel threatened by LCW's skills. That is his main forte.

CL may even lose to other players in time to come due to his over zealousness to beat LCW. He path to finals has been lucky and gifted with walkovers. What do you guys think?

I agree with you. CHN coaches know LCW is their stumbling block to OLY gold, and expect CL to be in LCW half. They have put their collective mind to train CL to play LCW. Therefore, the more CL play LCW the better, it is not about winning SS, but using SS as a sparring session to try different tactics against LCW. If CHN has a choice, they would skip half the SS. And if LC can beat LCW at SF, so much the better than rely on a must win by LD at final. The way LD is playing now, who knows he may not even get to the final.

 

[pjswift]

.Don't be surprised that CL will defeat LCW in their next match (after CHN examined why LCW won in their previous match). .

LCW should look forward to playing CL so that he will know in how many ways CL can defeat him (preferably with CL gifted a walkover). In fact LCW should even risk losing to CL by not trying anything new on him to rote train. That way, CL will be given the wrong LCW syllabus for OG12.

 

[chris-ccc]

LCW should look forward to playing CL so that he will know in how many ways CL can defeat him (preferably with CL gifted a walkover). In fact LCW should even risk losing to CL by not trying anything new on him to rote train. That way, CL will be given the wrong LCW syllabus for OG12.

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As from 20-Oct-2011, CL is ranked World No.2. CL is now China's No.1 player.

From now onward, if ever LCW and CL are to face each other at tournaments, it would be at Finals Day.

I don't think LCW would like to lose any Finals matches.
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[madbad]

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As from 20-Oct-2011, CL is ranked World No.2. CL is now China's No.1 player.

From now onward, if ever LCW and CL are to face each other at tournaments, it would be at Finals Day.

I don't think LCW would like to lose any Finals matches.
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Do you think CL would or for that matter, anyone?

 

[Pakito]

Blessing in Disguise

I agree with you. CHN coaches know LCW is their stumbling block to OLY gold, and expect CL to be in LCW half. They have put their collective mind to train CL to play LCW. Therefore, the more CL play LCW the better, it is not about winning SS, but using SS as a sparring session to try different tactics against LCW. If CHN has a choice, they would skip half the SS. And if LC can beat LCW at SF, so much the better than rely on a must win by LD at final. The way LD is playing now, who knows he may not even get to the final.

Many see CL defeating LCW as a sign of LCW on the decline due to age and psychological block. But i see it as good quality training for LCW to put him back on track while fine tuning his game here and there. The recent exacted revenge by defeating CL is proof that LCW can overcome mental block. CL's similarity of strokes and game plan to LD is also free training for LCW as the true LD training form is very hard to come by for LCW.

 

[Pakito]

I agree with you. CHN coaches know LCW is their stumbling block to OLY gold, and expect CL to be in LCW half. They have put their collective mind to train CL to play LCW. Therefore, the more CL play LCW the better, it is not about winning SS, but using SS as a sparring session to try different tactics against LCW. If CHN has a choice, they would skip half the SS. And if LC can beat LCW at SF, so much the better than rely on a must win by LD at final. The way LD is playing now, who knows he may not even get to the final.

Many see that CL's recent triumph over LCW is also a sign for LD to buck up and start playing seriously, otherwise he has CL to deal with also. But I don't think LD is slowing down or deteriorating as he is just following orders from LYB. The advantage for him now, is for you guys and LCW to be fooled into thinking that he is slowing down and pose less of a threat while he is actually preparing himself to shock you again! LD lives and thrives on suprising us in awe of him which is when he can take off his shirt again while your jaw drops open in awe for him! That is his character. He does not care about winning of tournaments consistently like LCW.

 

[chris-ccc]

Many see that CL's recent triumph over LCW is also a sign for LD to buck up and start playing seriously, otherwise he has CL to deal with also. But I don't think LD is slowing down or deteriorating as he is just following orders from LYB. The advantage for him now, is for you guys and LCW to be fooled into thinking that he is slowing down and pose less of a threat while he is actually preparing himself to shock you again! LD lives and thrives on suprising us in awe of him which is when he can take off his shirt again while your jaw drops open in awe for him! That is his character. He does not care about winning of tournaments consistently like LCW.

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I didn't watch this Semi-Finals match between KT and LD.

What I like to know is - Was there an announcement when the match stopped; explaining why LD needed to retire when leading Game 2 at 18-15?
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