BAM in a MESS! 2010

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  1. keigo911

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    yep! fully agree!
     
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    Initial findings of the Think Tank Committee reveal that the coaches feel their players do not respect them. However, a member of the Think Tank, a sports science expert, disputes that and instead blames the coaches for not having a knowledge of sports science, which renders the coaches as not really experts in their field to earn respect from the players. He cited the example of Manchester United's Alex Ferguson a coach who really knows the game, putting Cristiano Rolnaldo on the bench for discipline. The MU coach could do that because of his complete expertise in the game, which commands the respect of all the players. Only when you have this "respect" can you tell your players what to do instead of sneering back at you.
    In this respect both Rexy and Rashid have the greatest problems.
    If this is true, then it is not 1Malaysia but 2Malaysia.
     
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    the final decision is not in rexy hand
    so stop blame him!

    rashid does have the final say
    but he failed!
     
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    it sound really funny unless there are other explanation - players not respecting coach because he has no sports science knowledge?
    maybe he refers to one or two certain new coach other than misbun, rashid, rosman, rexy...
     
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    agree to limsy, final decision is not on Rexy, he should not be the 1 to point.

    Rashid a, mayb he is the best player of the country at 1 time, but i'm more concern about his success during he carries the duty as coach.
    From my viewpoint, he failed to deliver
    how long he had took over as one of the national coach? even long time ago he had been the junior coach b4 Kim Hock
    But during that time, only his word is final talk...
    Do any1 noticed that the junior single coach Sun comment during that time?
    Think about it...
     
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    Anyone thinks that Rexy should revert to being very strict and fierce? It would do the players a whole lot of good...
     
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    lol,so?
    he still didnt have the actual power
     
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    Although no names of the coaches were revealed, it is probably about Rexy and Rashid, both for having lost respect from their charges. Both do not have the guts or rather do not have a complete requisites of a good coach, which restrict their power to discipline or to make their charges obey their every word.
    Just look at the respect LD has for his coach and mentor the "Thing" or the "Special One" who was the coach of Inter Milan and will now take charge of Real Madrid.
    Rexy will become emotional and start crying when his charges don't follow his plans, which they often do. If this happens to the "Special One" he will show you the door and kick you out for good. This is respect born out of complete mastery and knowledge of a complete coach. All special coaches have that aura of respect from their charges.
    Maybe both Rexy and Rashid are more suited to the role as technical adisors to the coach.
     
  9. pBmMalaysia

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    respect is the key to a coach's success, without it, one is just a trainer having discipline problem with players!

    and discipline is the key to results, without it, you get no respect and you get no results!
     
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    BAM cannot exist without its players, coaches and management

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    Let us face it. When we first started reading this thread, "BAM in a MESS! 2010"; many assumed that we are talking about the management of BAM.

    It is good that we are now talking with the inclusion of players and coaches in BAM.

    IMHO, BAM cannot exist without all the 3 parties; its players, coaches and management. These 3 parties need to settle down to work on how to improve for Malaysia.

    If there is any disrespect from one party to any of the 2 other parties, BAM will continue to be in a MESS.

    All these 3 parties (players, coaches and management) will need to work together.
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    Not forgetting NSC, other bigger big shots who are giving pressure behind the scenes.

    LOL LOL, thought you already stopped supporting BAM.

    Fully agreed. Now the younger or not so young pairs must wait for FUzzy to retire. On another note, I think Rexy chose Hoon/Ong for TC to save their careers. Earlier this year, Ong Soon Hock's name came up with NSC as one of those who might be dropped from national squad, he's 25, havent won any titles. If anything Hoon/Ong will be the ones be out 1st, before Fuzzy.

    Rashid was chief of Project 2010, for past 4 to 5 years, I dont recall any of his students achieving much. Misbun as least have trained 2 AE champs, 1 WS SEA Games gold medalist.

     
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    I feel so fortunate that Mak and Tan are still young. As for Hoon and Ong, they didn't get many chances. I do agree with your statement that Rexy chose them for TC to save their careers.
     
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    for those doubles players, rank 2nd and below, its a pity if bam do drop them due to non-performance.

    can imagine they are struggling to win yet most of them are slow to show their worth or even making into semi final or finals.

    yet the pressure is on them to show themselves otherwise.

    time is short thus, more and more pressure accumulating, can imagine their hardship...
     
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    Sports Science is something that the coaches must learn themselves or at least respect it such that they can advise their players. The coaches have no need to fear from introducing sports science into the training coz it will complement them. Today if sports science is not used, then the sports will lose out. That is why the Australian Institute of Sports are producing so many champions in so many sports (from swimming to hockey to cycling to basketball).


    BAM must impose physical training with a Sports Science expert if it is going to achieve anything -- and it must be enforced. It is not just going to the gym. It is about training the players how to be fit and what muscles to develop for their sports.

    You can impart skills to the players but if you cannot get fit players to play, the skills learned will not work well. It may work sometimes but not when the players are unfit.

    To start the ball rolling, all coaches without exceptions, must go through a sports science course to enhance their knowledge.
     
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    yes sports science is a 100% must but i am sure all the coaches inside bam did enrolled for the course - at least a level 2.:cool:
    however, whether or how they pass i do not have any idea;)
     
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    I dont know much about coaches but given their education are they trainers or do they know how to analyse

    and work out strategies? Or do they just give playing tips based on their past experience? I' m sure most coaches are

    armed with many tools to analyse and work out game plans.

    I watched the World Team Table Tennis championships recently and was surprised how players are given time out

    during games and keep changing their tactics to counter opponents. Maybe TT is more technical than physical?

    Can experienced players today become coaches or do they need some basic tools and education? Would our coaches
    be in demand or be qualified if they chose to work overseas for example like Tan Kim Her or Rexy?
     
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    Coaches/Trainers Knowledge and Experience is only limited to how much they have been exposed. They need to constantly upgrade themselves in attending courses etc. However i hardly see them do that. Part of the reason is because of their hectic training schedules and other commitments.

    That s why sometimes BAM hire different people to step in and help. And sometimes it can be also confusing to the players themselves. Dont know who to listen to. And that is also probably why some of them lose respect if you may say that or fed up with too many directions and order.

    One thing for sure... they players need a strict regimented diet. In Malaysia... there is too many food choices. Obesity rate in Malaysia is very high.
     
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    Coaches/Trainers Knowledge and Experience is only limited to how much they have been exposed. They need to constantly upgrade themselves in attending courses etc. However i hardly see them do that. Part of the reason is because of their hectic training schedules and other commitments.

    That s why sometimes BAM hire different people to step in and help. And sometimes it can be also confusing to the players themselves. Dont know who to listen to. And that is also probably why some of them lose respect if you may say that or fed up with too many directions and order.

    One thing for sure... they players need a strict regimented diet. In Malaysia... there is too many food choices. Obesity rate in Malaysia is very high.
     
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    Off topic a bit, despite all the emotive attacks on Malaysian players, the country always produces great doubles pairs and players.there have been so many junior champions, it is just strange why they just cant break into the senior ranks.

    I have met many BJSS graduates, they all seem to praise Jeremy Gan and Sun Chen Hua for their great work and tend to give these two people plenty of credit for their success, maybe they cover basics well. But after that they seem to hit a wall.I dont think any country except Korea has so much depth as our doubles, we are actually a force to be reckoned with in this department.
     
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    Off topic a bit, despite all the emotive attacks on Malaysian players, the country always produces great doubles pairs and players.there have been so many junior champions, it is just strange why they just cant break into the senior ranks.

    I have met many BJSS graduates, they all seem to praise Jeremy Gan and Sun Chen Hua for their great work and tend to give these two people plenty of credit for their success, maybe they cover basics well. But after that they seem to hit a wall.I dont think any country except Korea has so much depth as our doubles, we are actually a force to be reckoned with in this department.
     

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