between lcw and ld winnings for mo, ae, wc or any other major, minor tournaments unless either one of them (ld would be easier) won everyone of them then we can say he is the best! right now there still some titles both ld & lcw missed in their collections. but then again some fans will say this one won once and that one won six so it goes again until one of them disappear..then the argument will stop, thread closed...
I am very confused by the arguments posted. I am surprised LCW is currently #1 but didnn't get any major title (AE,WC,OG). LD got some major titles (4 AEs,3 WC,1OG) but not #1. There must be sth wrong. Either the ranking system or the titles. By the way, my son got 10 major titles and 100000 pnts and ranked #1 in the town . My son should be the best because his ranking matches his titles.
welcome new member! lcw is no.1 because he has the most accumulated winning points from his tournament participations whereas ld missed a lot of the tournaments. there is nothing wrong with the ranking system. its good your son has so many titles but we only call them major titles here when its a super & prestigious hard to get title!
yes, we have debated on this before. Bwf's #1 ranking is just semantic meaning. Beside, LD had attained #1 status before. It's just a number game. It doesn't make him play better or worse, it doesn't help him to make more money than what he's already getting. LD and LCW have different goals and playing under 2 very different governing body, gov't and training enviroment. Winning MO, IO, PO, SO, etc won't garnish LD anymore $ or home fame, so why the extra hassle? I think both LD and lcw are doing the right things in relation to their respective constraint and goals.
Well, if your son suddenly decides to play just 2 tournaments a year, he definitely won't be No.1 anymore. Does that mean the ranking system should be changed?
not really need to change but the readers and fans should understand what it mean and its purpose. In the canadian ranking sheet, there are many top players aren't ranked as top coz they compete sparingly.
i think benhur is saying when we see top ranking points with most titles, the definition of 'the best' is unquestionable. I still think owning the hardwares is still more meaningful as ranking points come and go or can be manipulated.
I won't completely agree with you becos of the following: LCW's pursuit for "major titles” 05 WC – denied by Taufik Hidayat 06 WC – denied by Bao Chunlai 06 AG – denied by Taufik Hidayat 07 AE – denied by Chen Yu 07 WC – denied by Sony Dwi Kuncoro 08 AE – denied by Chen Jin 08 OG – denied by Lin Dan 09 AE – denied by Lin Dan 09 WC - denied by Sony Dwi Kuncoro To LCW, Sony is just as dangerous as LD & TH when it comes to a major. So hopefully LCW could get his 1st major and make badminton even more exciting.
The AE is like the Wimbledon of tennis. The MO is like the Merdeka Tournament of football. ... but of course you can argue LD is not good enough has he has yet to win a MO .
Thanks for the update...on your list, LCW would have a better chance of winning a major (esp 08OG and 09AE) if TH and LD were not facing him in the finals...agree SDK is a dark horse when playing Dato
there are numerous arguments for both sides...if we keep at it...it'll never stop. besides, even after the AE, I am sure that the argument will continue to the WC...
Why should LD be afraid of LCW? The only non-CHN MS who can beat LD in the final consistently is LCW. Especially now because of the LD merchandising business, LYB believes it is important for LD to maintain his 'invincible' image. So LYB will never send LD out to play when he knows LD's chances of losing is high. But LYB is silly because LD's fans will support his fashion line regardless of his performance, just like TH's. How long LYB can fool LD fans, maybe it will tell this year. But LYB can judge pretty well, CHN's chances of winning. I remember in CO09, just before the XD finals, when asked whether CHN or KOR will win, he said the outcome was not important; what's important is an outcome that will help promote badminton. Meaning CHN was likely to lose and true enough , KOR XD ended their losing record to CHN XD for the first time! LYB has gotta be badminton's biggest hypocrite of all time. If he were that keen on promoting badminton, he would send LD out to play more. After all, LD is supposed to be the biggest star. Or is he, really? What is clear is that LD has registered to play in not just one but two SS, only to pull out at the last minute. The reason? LD was not prepared enough (to take out LCW) so no show. That's cowardly sportsmanship. Can you imagine if all the top 10 MS behave like LD, pulling out at the last minute? LCW, PG,TH,etc because they are not 100% prepared? SS tournaments will have no stars and badminton will be a joke. Or rather BWF will be the laughing stock. What BWF should do is to have a two-tiered deterrent punishment for pull outs. 1) A fine. This will be the first stage, after the cut off date, as presently done. 2) Ranking point deduction of 1000 points. This applies for withdrawals 7 days or less before the first round of the tournament. CBA is very rich so a fine is ineffective. But a ranking point loss of 1000 points may be a difference of a drop of WR2 to WR5. It also means the culprit may have to play an extra tournament to make up for the ranking point loss. If you feel strongly about last minute withdrawals, please email BWF about your suggestions. BWF need more ideas, not less.
very good but.. from the bottom of my heart that was very good suggestion but can we get the message across to bwf effectively? it will put an end to this non-sportsmanship participation of tournaments. also you are correct on lyb and thats the way he can 'run' cba...very influencial and ... (dirty)
could you advise what is sportsmanship? and why this is a matter of non-sportmanship? and what is dirty in this case?
sports man ship if i were to explain, bla..bla.. it takes hours, maybe this can help: after your game ends in a tournament, do you shake hand with your opponent? if you do then this is call good sportsmanship. this is just an example so try to figure out ... and for non-sportsmanship? i guess it's just the other way round! dirty here you have to practice some imagery ... (politics?)
Amazing! Just amazing! All these LCW is not afraid of LD, vice versa, LCW is better looking than LD, LYB is an evil guy, LD is afraid etc etc .... just amazing! LD no show at the MO and LYB is an evil person?? Well, can we say Misbun is evil too since LCW gave Laos the snub as well? All those talks about LD is afraid of LCW or vice versa, I must say neither LD nor LCW is afraid. They have played each other countless times, what is there to be afraid of? The h2h between these two shuttlers is there for all to see. Lets be patience. The AE is just round the corner. Am sure LCW and LD will both show up for this biggie.
LD has no other good contender than LCW. same to, LCW has no other contender than LD. that is why all these kind of discussions arise. but..... in AE, no "kompang"
Just curious ... are the seats in the AE numbered or free seating where you can practically 'reserve' a row of seats for your friends simply by playing newspapers, umbrellas, slippers, underwear, mineral water bottle on the empty seats?
