2cents said:Congrats to KKK/TBH and ZB/GL for their first all England title. They are new formed pairs, and soon became the best in the world, ZB/GL are even invincible.
But if you say that's all because good coaching, and credit Rexy and LYB for that. I then disagree.
They are good just because they are good themselves. The truth is that coaching was bad because the coaches and managers had not realized that before. Both of the pairs teamed together because of accidents, not because of coaching.
When KKK's partner CCM's dad passed away, then TBH came up as a substitute, even though they lost in the final of Tokyo open (runner up was a pretty good results even for KKK/CCM), the coaches still wanted KKK playing with CCM instead of TBH. Maybe there are political reasons, but the final decision was not even better than a nobrainer. Although Rexy wanted KKK play with TBH, this was still not good coaching, it was just a reasonable thing any one would do.
Same thing applies to ZB/GL too. ZB had been in the national team for 5 years. Even before the Asian game, LYB claimed that the only pair will go to Olympics 2008 were Gao Ling with Zhang Jun, and GL/ZJ pair is unchangeable. Then another accident happened, Zhang Jun wanted to have his wedding during the Asian Game (I think that's one reason China does not that care about Asian Games), then Zheng Bo went to Asian game as a substitute, exactly like TBH, a substitute in the case of emergence. Then the new pair ZB/GL is unbeatable so far. If the coaching were good, they should finding out that before the accidents.
So, in this sense, both coachings were bad coachings, I mean bad because they were not any better than any ordinary people's thinking and doing. I say bad because the good resutls resulted from accidents, not from coaching. And when accident proved their coaching's wrong (in Rexy case not in China's case), they still not wanted the pair which delivering better results.
ixory said:hay yuqiu i have some news 4 u..
Badminton: ‘I’m staying on’
13 Mar 2007
K.M. Boopathy
REXY Mainaky has committed his future to Malaysia but in the same breath, challenged his senior pairs to prove that Malaysian doubles is more than just about newly crowned All England champions Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong.
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Thanks you ixory. I can breath easy now. Rexy should stay because Mal is such a lovely country. No tsunamis, no earthquakes, no terrorism, good foods, friendly people, lovely weather and we speak the same language.![]()
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..(just quipping these portions from the article) and this shows, esp. how important Rexy is/was to their success..The thing i want to see now is, how will the 2 young talents find their success when Rexy is not there, physically, by their sides during their match(es)..ixory said:"He has been a key factor in our success. We've learnt many new tactics and skills from him and so are the new players who have come through the ranks. He also guides us during games, shouting quick instructions when we make mistakes or when there is a change in tactics by our opponents".
For example, during the final, the Chinese pair switched tactics during the second game and Rexy was quick to observe and gave us instructions to vary the game," said Kien Keat.
OFF TOPIC:..to come and visit Malaysia this coming August for the World Championships..heheyuqiu said:Thanks you ixory. I can breath easy now. Rexy should stay because Mal is such a lovely country. No tsunamis, no earthquakes, no terrorism, good foods, friendly people, lovely weather and we speak the same language.![]()
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ctjcad said:..(just quipping these portions from the article) and this shows, esp. how important Rexy is/was to their success..The thing i want to see now is, how will the 2 young talents find their success when Rexy is not there, physically, by their sides during their match(es)..![]()
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OFF TOPIC:..to come and visit Malaysia this coming August for the World Championships..hehe..Btw, have you signed up for the BC get-together in this thread: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40431&page=4 ??..
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Originally Posted by ctjcad
OFF TOPIC:..to come and visit Malaysia this coming August for the World Championships..hehe..Btw, have you signed up for the BC get-together in this thread: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40431&page=4 ??..
..and yes, it's quite true that both of them are still relatively young & developing very well..Thus the careful and close guidance of Rexy is what's needed..ye333 said:I don't think that's crucial -- try to let KKK/TBH play without Rexy being there. Although they rely on Rexy a lot currently, the relation seems healthy. Rexy is not suffocating them by endless instructions, and Koo/Tan are not treating themselves as morons and just waiting for Rexy's words.
There is a danger lying in leaving them on their own pre-maturely, they may lose terribly and lose confidence of themselves. So Rexy must be very careful and choose the right timing and the right tournament to "test" and more importantly, develop their independence.
The issue (how much and what kind of help should a mentor give his student) is very subtle (the goal is to bring the student to his limit), and seems to me Rexy is doing very well so far.
If I were Rexy, I would probably very slowly cut down on the amount of advices I am giving them or perhaps holding it off until crucial points to allow the players to think for themselves. But ofcourse before doing so, I would inform the players of what I will be doing and the purpose of doing soctjcad said:..and yes, it's quite true that both of them are still relatively young & developing very well..Thus the careful and close guidance of Rexy is what's needed..
But i still would like to see how both of them handle situations in which Rexy is not there, by their sides..![]()
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Iwan said:Your thinking is way too egoistic. Maybe you have never met a coach like Rexy and therefore cast all coaches aside down the drain. If coaches play such an insignificant role as you said as to only find the right partnership, then why need coaches at all for singles? Might as well just let the players train themselves and play with themselves allowing their natural talent to help them improve.
I have been coached by professional coaches and I have been coaching teenagers at a competitive level too and I can say for sure that coaches play a significant role in helping out their players. The thing about players is that when they play, they don't always pick up on the little stuff that they can exploit. Worse still, the stuff that they do pick up don't always register into their brain as experience. This is where coaches come into play, enlightening their players on what has been happening. What they've been doing wrong, what they could've done instead of what they did, what they can further exploit that they didn't exploit enough, etc2. You see, sometimes, players are so tired after training that they don't have the energy left to think much about what happened, usually they just want to rest. And it is only understandable that they do so, which is why we have coaches to help them think about what went on and enlighten them on what has been happening.
You think Rexy isn't a good coach? Look at the English Mixed Doubles right now. They were once one of the best an winning the Olympics Gold. Then the following all england in 2006, Rexy commented that they have the skills to win the game, but was afraid that they don't have the proper physical levels to execute them. When I heard this, and saw Nathan's play, as a coach I immediately knew that Nathan is not one of those guys who can self motivate himself to do the required physical training that he needs to do to be good. But when Rexy was there, Rexy made a difference enough to make him do enough physical training so that he becomes enabled to perform the high level techniques required of him to win a game. How did Rexy do it? Maybe you should go and watch Nathan and Rexy's training video clip at youtube. As a coach, Rexy is my ultimate inspiration, I desire and am working on being a coach like him.
2cents said:For those think Rexy is so important, please think again.
Why before the formation of KKK/TBH, Mas always ended with nothing in men's doubles? If he's so important, why he cannot inspire LWH/CTF who were even better before?
It's just because of the players themselves. If there are some roles for the coaching, it will definitely less than 50%. The biggest difference a coach can make is to find the right persons and pairs. That's what I was talking about they did not do well. The training and inspiring are also important, but come after picking up the right pair.