Indonesia Badminton

Daddies and Minions need to face the Japanese DUO MD pairs in All-England. There is no Taiwan, Korea and China on the way this time.
 
If I am PBSI or Indonesian government, actually I would not be going after just bwf, instead it should be NHS and UK government.
And I will even ask bwf and other badminton association to jointly sue NHS and UK government. Bwf and other badminton association should be concerned that the popularity of the sport is going down and it is getting harder to get sponsor to hold tournament.

But then, most badminton association heads are politically related so it is hard to imagine they would do it.
 
sen said:
If I am PBSI or Indonesian government, actually I would not be going after just bwf, instead it should be NHS and UK government. And I will even ask bwf and other badminton association to jointly sue NHS and UK government.
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what is the legal standing of pbsi, et al.? they should initiate their lawsuit based on what legal theory? was there a breach of contract, any other actionable tort or malfeasance? how exactly do you think suing the nhs/uk gov't will play out?

i'm not dismissing your idea, but, when people toss around 'sue them' i'd like to know if they really understand what the whole process entails. otherwise it's just like commentating on a sport you know nothing about.
 
Popularities will be at new low after this fiasco.
The pandemic coincides with dearths of new talents. Youngsters not having much chance to plaj at any etc.

the problem is where are they bringing this sports to.
 
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there are already some lawsuit against government policy over covid 19 measures.

anyway, the way things going with PBSI and Indonesian government, I think they are just going to international sports body in order to pressure bwf, I think to get some things change in bwf.
 
sen said:
there are already some lawsuit against government policy over covid 19 measures.

anyway, the way things going with PBSI and Indonesian government, I think they are just going to international sports body in order to pressure bwf, I think to get some things change in bwf.
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they certainly want the president to resign.
 
Yoji said:
Of course they being dragged to walk back to the hotel is simply prisoners. Wtf is bwf doing.
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Is that something to do with the isolation rules? e.g. not being allowed to share a vehicle if you're suspected of carrying COVID?
 
RichF said:
Is that something to do with the isolation rules? e.g. not being allowed to share a vehicle if you're suspected of carrying COVID?
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Not sure what the exact law is, but simple ethics dictate you really shouldn't get a cab when a test says you might be positive, yeah. But that's never stopped a bunch of dramatic, self-centered crybabys from complaining...
 
RichF said:
At this point in time, I think it would be claimed as an admission of guilt?
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What I would like to see is that more tournament should be held. Of course not going to have as many as before because it is more difficult to get sponsor and the government approval.
But the change that is important is that bwf and tournament organiser should try to get as many players as possible to attend(but not compulsory). That is an open tournament is all about. If players are really sick/injured, then we can't expect them to play but when they are not and they wanted to play, no government nor their country badminton association should be able to get in their way.

Just admitting guilt without any change in future tournament is pointless
 
sen said:
Just admitting guilt without any change in future tournament is pointless
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Sorry if I wasn't clear: I didn't mean resigning WOULD be an admission of guilt, more that there are people who would 'celebrate' it as proof of the prejudice/unfairness/discrimination etc. that is being claimed. Those people would claim a victory for all the conspiracy theories!
 
RichF said:
Sorry if I wasn't clear: I didn't mean resigning WOULD be an admission of guilt, more that there are people who would 'celebrate' it as proof of the prejudice/unfairness/discrimination etc. that is being claimed. Those people would claim a victory for all the conspiracy theories!
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Yeah, that's what I don't like about some of the people who just want to be validated right.
Also some politician who just want to be viewed doing something but actually not going to benefit the sport or the players
 
sen said:
If I am PBSI or Indonesian government, actually I would not be going after just bwf, instead it should be NHS and UK government.
And I will even ask bwf and other badminton association to jointly sue NHS and UK government. Bwf and other badminton association should be concerned that the popularity of the sport is going down and it is getting harder to get sponsor to hold tournament.

But then, most badminton association heads are politically related so it is hard to imagine they would do it.
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Good luck trying to tell another country how to handle the pandemic lol
 
Nine Tailed Fox said:
11 SERVICE FAULTS for Ahsan/Setiawan by English Service Judge ALAN CROW against England's Number two MD pair Lane/Vendy.



PBSI Chief, Agung Firman Sampurna :

"In Order to be Objective, usually the service judge is not a part of one country from one of the players competing"

https://badminton.skor.id/raket/amp...sorot-ketum-pp-pbsi?__twitter_impression=true
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Don't know where they got 11 from, I skipped and may have overlooked a couple but only counted a few. Is that a parody site or sth?
Also, we're talking about the guy who didn't serve at legal height a single time until the rule change came about. Just like Morten said at the end - Ahsan consistently gets faulted. However if I were the BWF I'd get an automated system running (that can't be intimidated by players either) just to shut up the somewhat reasonable parts of fan bases, really should be doable with modern image/video processing.
 
j4ckie said:
Don't know where they got 11 from, I skipped and may have overlooked a couple but only counted a few. Is that a parody site or sth?
Also, we're talking about the guy who didn't serve at legal height a single time until the rule change came about. Just like Morten said at the end - Ahsan consistently gets faulted. However if I were the BWF I'd get an automated system running (that can't be intimidated by players either) just to shut up the somewhat reasonable parts of fan bases, really should be doable with modern image/video processing.
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So a Hawkeye for serves (it could probably already do it), I agree in many ways, but I feel a bit sad that we'd lose a human element...even if that element makes mistakes. Although those mistakes should be fewer now we have the new technology (2 sheets of perspex with lines on) to make the decisions objective!

I also thought Ahsan gets faulted a few times every match, bit unfair to single out the service judge and question his integrity like people have been.

Edit: that article says Ahsan got faulted 4 times (not many then) and it's Sampurna that says 11...so I guess he means Setiawan was faulted 7 times...or something/someone can't add up

Edit2: You know what'd be useful? If the BWF released the stats - the umpire presumably records faults etc. on his touchscreen so they must be available?
 
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RichF said:
So a Hawkeye for serves (it could probably already do it), I agree in many ways, but I feel a bit sad that we'd lose a human element...even if that element makes mistakes. Although those mistakes should be fewer now we have the new technology (2 sheets of perspex with lines on) to make the decisions objective!

I also thought Ahsan gets faulted a few times every match, bit unfair to single out the service judge and question his integrity like people have been.

Edit: that article says Ahsan got faulted 4 times (not many then) and it's Sampurna that says 11...so I guess he means Setiawan was faulted 7 times...or something/someone can't add up

Edit2: You know what'd be useful? If the BWF released the stats - the umpire presumably records faults etc. on his touchscreen so they must be available?
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I dont think Hendra was faulted a single time. Definitely not 7. I don't know how short-handed they were with umpires, but to avoid exactly this kind of situation it would've been very nice to not send an English one into this match. Personally I absolutely don't think there was any intention to his calls (he also could've picked much better moments for them if that was the case), but in both match systems and umpiring one should always do the most to avoid even grounds for suspicion. Anyway, whatever the 11 faults describe, it wasn't this match, there were definitely fewer calls than that (I really think only the 4 on Ahsan).

Compared to hawkeye, the system could probably be a bit simpler. Only thing that comes to mind immediately is that you should definitely have at least one camera on each side of the court (to avoid the shuttle being obstructed) and a calibration marker at the correct height. For me, the human element in service judging is not a positive though, all it does is add inconsistency. They cant express personality as they hardly interact with the players or game, sometimes not at all.
 
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