Lee Chong Wei ( 李宗伟 )

kwun said:
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Yes, sir! :)

So, here's my thinking about this mess and the possible miscalculation of the drug pharmacokinetics.

If so, then B sample would most likely end up being positive, because it is really the one and the same sample as A, being taken at the same time but split into 70% A and 30% B. Drug tests these days are super sensitive using immuno assays and mass spectrometry. So, if it's there even in small amounts, it'll be detected.

So, in the ensuing aftermath, heads will roll at the medical treatment team and BAM leaders will remain intact.

And for LCW the blessing in disguise is that he is forced to retire at or near the top of his game without having to fight it out over the next 2 years to OG thru various injuries to his aging body. Without much negative implications too, since it really wasn't his fault.

Dear ChongWei, keep heart. Stay strong and courageous. We never doubted you for a second. Your decade of hard work against the wall of China will never be forgotten and will remain your legacy for us Malaysians. You will remain in our hearts the best and most humble and hard working badminton player ever. Your diving saves will never be emulated, ever. From now on, enjoy your family with Kingston and WMC. Be successful with your various ventures, but please don't forget about possibly passing on your torch in the future by raising up the next generation of world beater players.
 
Doping: B sample to be tested in Nov 4 or 5

KUALA LUMPUR: Nov 4 or Nov 5 – that’s when the B sample of a national athlete will be tested.
The A sample of the athlete has been tested positive for dexamethasone.

Youth and Sports Minister Khairy Jamaluddin said that the international federation (IF) had given the national association the two dates to choose from to open the B sample.

The athlete, who has the right to choose the date, has been informed of the latest development.
Once the date has been chosen, arrangements will be made to fly the athlete to Oslo, Norway, to witness the opening of the B sample.

“The international federation concerned have given Nov 4 and Nov 5 as the dates for the opening of the B sample. At this moment, the athlete has not made a decision,” said Khairy.

“I am not going but I will be sending Dr Ramlan and Nishel.”
Datuk Dr Ramlan Aziz is the National Sports Institute (NSI) chief executive officer and Nishel Kumar is the head of Adamas (Anti-Doping Agency of Malaysia).

On Monday, Khairy had confirmed that an athlete had failed a dope test during a recent major tournament.
He did not reveal the identity of the athlete, saying he would only do so once the result of the B sample is known.

Although there has been no official statement, it is believed that the athlete is world No. 1 shuttler Lee Chong Wei.

It is learnt that his urine sample has been found to have traces of the banned substance dexamethasone during a test done after the semi-finals of the World Championships in Copenhagen, Denmark.
Dexamethasone is not a performance-enhancing drug but a type of steroid medication with anti-inflammatory effects that is usually used to aid an athlete’s rehabilitation.

Asked if he has been keeping in touch with the athlete, the minister said: “I have been in touch with the athlete. The athlete is anxious, but that is expected.”

“We are going through the athlete’s recent medical history to see how the substance could be present.”

FULL NEWS:http://www.thestar.com.my/Sport/Other-Sport/2014/10/25/B-sample-to-be-opened-in-November/
 
Reading this, I think it will be a BAM mistake of not giving proper advice to him on medication usage, and a bit of his own naiveness to trust medication he took.

BAM is obviously obliged to help him but will come out smelling like an unprofessional setup.
 
X Ball said:
Reading this, I think it will be a BAM mistake of not giving proper advice to him on medication usage, and a bit of his own naiveness to trust medication he took.

BAM is obviously obliged to help him but will come out smelling like an unprofessional setup.
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Well, look at it this way:

How much do you know about dexamethasone, it's metabolism, half life, variability between individuals, the difference between zero order and first order pharmacokinetics, it's half life, active metabolites, excretion pharmacokinetics?

That sort of stuff you would learn at undergrad pharmacology and to really know it, postgraduate level. Most doctors will only have a cursory knowledge.

Most athletes don't know those implications and would have to trust their medical team, otherwise, why have a medical team?

Interesting that the coaches say the athletes go for regular testing, How often is 'regular'? Once a month? Once every two months?

http://www.thestar.com.my/Sport/Badminton/2014/10/24/Coaches-stand-by-shuttlers/
 
As explained in above post :

"Dexamethasone is not a performance-enhancing drug but a type of steroid medication with anti-inflammatory effects that is usually used to aid an athlete’s rehabilitation."


Everyone in badminton circle knows that he is injured prior to the WC and probably took the substance provided by the medical team, can/will there be any appeal should sample B be positive, that is if he wants to continue competing.
 
Cheung, precisely my point his and BAM's naiveness in believing everything is ok. But definitely BAM's unprofessional setup not to alert LCW.

All fans are utterly disgusted. Rightfully so I might add.
 
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nokh88,

Dexamethasone belongs to a corticosteroid class that is allowed out of competition for rehab, but not in competition. So, if B is positive, he'll be penalized.
 
X Ball ,

Nah, they're not unprofessional, just incompetent in miscalculating how long it'll stay in his system, as Cheung was alluding to.
 
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visor said:
Yes, sir! :)

If so, then B sample would most likely end up being positive, because it is really the one and the same sample as A, being taken at the same time but split into 70% A and 30% B. Drug tests these days are super sensitive using immuno assays and mass spectrometry. So, if it's there even in small amounts, it'll be detected.

So, in the ensuing aftermath, heads will roll at the medical treatment team and BAM leaders will remain intact.

And for LCW the blessing in disguise is that he is forced to retire at or near the top of his game without having to fight it out over the next 2 years to OG thru various injuries to his aging body. Without much negative implications too, since it really wasn't his fault.

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What's the sensitivity and specificity of these measurement devices?

Although BAM takes most of the responsibility being in charge, to be fair, it's the medical responsibility for the decision in giving the drug.

I can easily imagine the following:

BAM Doctor: ehh, got injury, try stem cell lah.

Athlete: Can leh?

BAM Doctor: Can, mah. New research from America show good

Athlete: Oh yeah, saw in Sing Chew. Sure can?

BAM Doctor: add some more medicern, then can heal quick

Athlete: aye, doctor. Safe, meh?

BAM Doctor: Ok lah, one week enough time for no more drug in body....
 
Cheung

Dr Ramlan, the NSI chief also said the player is regularly tested, more like often tested cos he is top player. See yesterday's Star article posted in this thread. NSI is the Sports science institute .

This is not 1st time LCW went thru stem cell treatment. After his Achilles surgery he had this treatment. So, all the while ok, with same hospital, same primary doctor. If I'm the patient, sure I trust the doctors. Unless this time different doctor.

Thats y I said heads will roll from medical team, the tone of the Sports Minister's 1st statement can see.

LCW, well, he can finally rest, concentrate on his various businesses, more time with wmc and Kingston .
 
Visor,
In the Msian forums, the general sentiment among the sympathetic ones is LCW can finally take a break, if B turns out positive. LCW wanted to retire after OG 2012, but was asked to stay on, 'see, see, they push2 our Datuk, he cannot take it any longer.'

The non sympathetic ones, well, condemn upside down. Cannot mention what they say, under sensitive category in BC.::D
 
Courtesy of FMT :

Why so hush-hush over Lee Chong Wei?
Sandra John
October 25, 2014

Is he guilty of taking banned substances or is something more sinister lurking under our noses?

COMMENT

We distrust our leaders because the concept of transparency is alien to them. They may say it’s what they advocate, but they rarely mean it.

Half-truths, noncommittal responses and, in some cases, maddening stretches of silence are the preferred mode of crisis management while a plausible Plan B is hastily hatched and despatched.

And so it goes in the case of Lee Chong Wei, our darling of badminton, who recently tested positive for a banned substance called dexamethasone.

Instead of coughing up the badminton player’s identity, Minister of Youth and Sports Khairy Jamaluddin simply referred to him as the country’s “top athlete”, a big hint in itself, and waited instead for other parties to break the news.

Now that the cat is out of the bag, it makes no sense that some officials are still refusing to name the athlete in question when giving their comments on the doping scandal that has rocked the nation.

National Sports Institute chief executive officer Ramlan Aziz will only refer to Lee as “this particular athlete” even as he vouches for Lee’s “exemplary behaviour”.

Putrajaya (no surprises, here) has also refused to confirm the athlete’s identity despite TV3, The Star and just about every other Malaysian knowing it is Lee.

If, as has been proffered, Lee tested positive for a banned substance he unknowingly consumed or used topically, then why the secrecy? Why the scandalised silence and the refusal to acknowledge the elephant in the room?

Do these ministers and officials not realise that the more they attempt to conceal information from the public, the more it looks like a crime has knowingly been committed?

Any amount of upright (and usually uptight) statements to the press about “zero tolerance”, “accountability”, and “thorough investigations” come off sounding like painfully rehearsed public relations lines that fool no one, especially a growingly disgruntled public that know better than to lap up the sweet nothings of government officials.

Despite what our ministers and sports officials think, Lee’s fans run into the hundreds of thousands and many are rooting for him, hoping he comes out of this scandal with some semblance of dignity and already forgiving him for unknowingly having taken a banned substance.

Many still see him as the nation’s pride, Malaysia’s proud son of badminton and a sportsman of high repute.

Even council members of the Badminton Association of Malaysia have registered their utter frustration at being kept in the dark as to the identity of the athlete.

Is it not somewhat pathetic that BAM council members have to hold an emergency council meeting Sunday to talk “officially” about what remains the unofficial identity of one of their athletes?

Dexamethasone has already been identified as a steroid medication with anti-inflammatory effects and not a performance-enhancing drug. So Lee used it to soothe an ache, not boost his performance on the court.

The world survived Lance Armstrong, Florence Griffith Joyner, Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery and Trevor Graham. These athletes knowingly ingested banned substances.

Our Wushu exponent Tai Cheau Xuen failed a drug test because she unknowingly took a banned substance. If this is also the case with Lee, isn’t it about time Malaysia stood up for him instead of whisper in corners, too embarrassed about the international humiliation?

The cloak-and-dagger manoeuvrings are uncalled for. So are mysterious meetings that no one wants to own up to.

Since no answers are as yet forthcoming, are we to assume the meeting our minister had with Lee was not over the doping scandal but over something with more serious undertones?

There is already unpleasant mutterings about match-fixing involving a Malaysian fixer. A police report on the matter has already been lodged by the Badminton World Federation after two Danish players complained about being approached to “throw” a match.

The silence surrounding Lee is doing nothing to dispel our fears that something larger and far more humiliating and criminal is lurking in the shadows.

Time for some answers, please.
 
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eaglehelang said:
Cheung

Dr Ramlan, the NSI chief also said the player is regularly tested, more like often tested cos he is top player. See yesterday's Star article posted in this thread. NSI is the Sports science institute .

This is not 1st time LCW went thru stem cell treatment. After his Achilles surgery he had this treatment. So, all the while ok, with same hospital, same primary doctor. If I'm the patient, sure I trust the doctors. Unless this time different doctor.

Thats y I said heads will roll from medical team, the tone of the Sports Minister's 1st statement can see.

LCW, well, he can finally rest, concentrate on his various businesses, more time with wmc and Kingston .
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Sure. I admit my post was rather simplistic and unfair.
 
nokh88,

Unfotunately, Malaysian govt officials are not well known for their crisis management PR skills, as was with the case with Malaysian airlines MH370 incident...
 
eaglehelang said:
Visor,
In the Msian forums, the general sentiment among the sympathetic ones is LCW can finally take a break, if B turns out positive. LCW wanted to retire after OG 2012, but was asked to stay on, 'see, see, they push2 our Datuk, he cannot take it any longer.'

The non sympathetic ones, well, condemn upside down. Cannot mention what they say, under sensitive category in BC.::D
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Yah, sad to see that it has come to this...

And even sadder to see that Malaysian fans can attack their own hero. What is it about Malaysian fans that can sometimes seem to turn on their own athlete? I've seen how they can do that with KKK or sometimes one of the backup team players... when they're obviously struggling on court and don't do well, they get booed by their own fans!

No other country does that to their own players!
 
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