We have talked about those points before, but somehow different ways of thinking about them do not reach you.
I am sorry if my opinion disturb you, but those things went into the media, not by my fault.
Lee Chong Wei ( 李宗伟 )
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I am sorry if my opinion disturb you, but those things went into the media, not by my fault.
Please go back at the beginning of the discussion, the points you mentioned were all discussed. The mat affair is bs, and after all the complaining only three mats were removed, on the 18, clearly showing there is nothing wrong with them. How could they? there Victor mats, like all Victor mats we see in the tourneys.
For you point 3, all what was said on the media was that LCW was upset by Frost question on his retirement. As other members mentioned earlier in the discussion, there is nothing offensive in that, as a serious injury easily leads to retirement. This, by the way, was only coming from LCW's mouth, and was not "pressuring LCW" in any way.
Now if you have other sources then what was relayed in the newspaper, or articles that were not mentioned here, you are welcome to give new evidence.
Otherwise I don't see why you keep rambling on, everything has been said in the previous ten pages.
BTW, what you call "speculative way of speaking" is just simple politeness. You have heard about it perhaps?
Baddyforall
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This thread is going on and on for silly reasons.
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badlove
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What irked me is MF was already asking LCW post Rio while he actually still have the capability and in some matches with no contest defeated a few SS title holder young rising stars like Qiao Bin, Shi Yuqi, CTC, etc like more than 10 years younger than him.
Their relationship had been tense prior Rio when MF stopped him from sparring. They probably haven't talked since. MF was said to have a tough approach ( more of "keras kepala" or stubborn according to a few Malay friends) and has dominated law and order. That's when LCW need third party like BAM and Minister of Sports to resolve the feud lah.
I believe MF talked but just not in public to the press for a good reason (it's likely to turn ugly making it impossible for BAM to do any damage control). Didn't the deputy BAM head, Norza, said she's been trying to mediate between the two for sometime but in vain ?
I' m sure both Norza and the BAM head know what's best for MAS badminton, even if they weren't badminton players (cmiiw). If non-MAS fans shouldn't comment on this matter as we don't know what the 'truth' is, no inside information, only what's been reported in the press - what about the BAM heads? Why didn't they take sides or find grounds to punish MF ? In the first place, why hire foreign coaches, Hendrawan, now MF twice, in the past Han Jian and Yang Yang.
Now that LCW has come home with an AE crown, you guys think MF is irrelevant or less important? LCW alone is enough for MAS badminton, for how long more, Tokyo 2020? Goh Jin Wei, Lee Zi Jia,Lim Chi Wing, Leong Jun Hao, Iskandar, Zufadli, the MD, XD, all of them continue to become secondary characters ?
Anyway, enough, I've lost interest in this topic , it's getting nowhere. Let's agree to disagree.
All I can say is I believe Morten Frost is a man of integrity, with professional ethics, and as one of the all-time greats in badminton and now a coach, he has a reputation and standing to protect and maintain , and he will perform his utter best for MAS badminton; that's why I think the MAS government trusted and tasked him to bring MAS badminton to the next level.
CIA-99
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You want Iskandar, Jun Hao, Chi Wing and others to go to Tokyo 2020 and suceed? Then ask them on how NOT to choke in SMALL tournaments. Zii Jia choked hard vs Kanthapon. Chi Wing choke vs SYQ. Please la, ask them to train harder to improve their skill first. How to become protagonist in Malaysia badminton if lost all the time in GPG and lower level tournaments. Do you thimk they are on LCW's level. Dream on boys. They are NOT ready to take the mantle yet.
badlove
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MF wronged LCW by suggesting him to retire, while he still could win titles for Malaysian. That's like giving free tickets to China and other countries who would grab the title if LCW no longer around.
Is LCW really that big of hindrance for Malaysian badminton development? Any guarantee MF can make Malaysia number one if LCW step down?
If a lot of Malaysian people even BAM and Minister of Sports are backing LCW to still play to bring glory for Malaysia, MF should respect the conformity and wait, eventually LCW will succumb to mother nature (time). But for the time being (judging from last AE performance), he will still be high on the list of the strong contender at every tournament.
One does not simply ask a WR1 and 34 years old AE winner to quit early. We as badminton fans who love the game still want to see LCW on court.
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CIA-99
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Repost for the sake of ignorant people.
shooting stroke
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I am starting to get headaches reading all the post hear. However back about DLCW.......he is going for his 12th Malaysia Open title......what?...... 12!!!!!!!.......at 34....with 2 kids.....and a recently injured knee.....Amazing feat if he can do it.... and hell ya he can do it of course 
I just cant recall if there is any other athlete in other sports defending a title for the 12th time?......anyone? Good luck DLCW..... My prayers is always with you.
As far as it sounds great to see him again winning his 4th AE ......the main agenda and topic will always be about...... can he deliver what no player from Malaysia has done that is becoming the world champion. We know he can, his wife Datin WMC also for sure thinks he can, Kong from skull island also said the same, even Logan told me he has his support......therefore Datuk.... Its now grind down to about handling that pressure about wanting to win the world title.... If he can mentally focus and deal it.....i am very confident that the title will be yours.. As for now, just be physically fit and dont get injured. If you have the opportunity, spend some time as usual and seek advice and guidance from your greatest mentor, Datuk Misbun.
I just cant recall if there is any other athlete in other sports defending a title for the 12th time?......anyone? Good luck DLCW..... My prayers is always with you. As far as it sounds great to see him again winning his 4th AE ......the main agenda and topic will always be about...... can he deliver what no player from Malaysia has done that is becoming the world champion. We know he can, his wife Datin WMC also for sure thinks he can, Kong from skull island also said the same, even Logan told me he has his support......therefore Datuk.... Its now grind down to about handling that pressure about wanting to win the world title.... If he can mentally focus and deal it.....i am very confident that the title will be yours.
. As for now, just be physically fit and dont get injured. If you have the opportunity, spend some time as usual and seek advice and guidance from your greatest mentor, Datuk Misbun.Then why spend so much money hiring MF for when any local coach will do? BAM heads and the MAS government don't understand MAS badminton and what needs to be done for the long haul ?
Hello, this is an open forum, everybody has the right to exercise their freedom of expression responsibly or choose not to speak.
We are 'outsiders' and just because we weigh in on the topic doesn't mean we're meddling in MAS badminton's internal affair. If LCW hadn't blared so much to the press which faithfully reported everything he said (while MF wisely chose to remain silent , as a result we only get to hear one side of the story), will we even be talking about it today ? Don't blame the posters for the news, they're everywhere on the Internet.
I say we agree to disagree because I don't want to argue for argument's sake like what you're doing now. Enough said.
FeatherBlaster
Regular Member
You're out of reach on this topic.
But let me ask you about something completely different:
Chen Long
Wang Zhengming
Tian Houwei
Viktor Axelsen
Zulfadli Zulkiffli
Kento Momota
What do they have in common, and who stands out?
I'd like to ask the Malaysian insiders why that is?
(I'm not trolling, it's an honest question that really have my interest. I'd appreciate if you have knowledge to share).
Cheers,
FB
But let me ask you about something completely different:
Chen Long
Wang Zhengming
Tian Houwei
Viktor Axelsen
Zulfadli Zulkiffli
Kento Momota
What do they have in common, and who stands out?
I'd like to ask the Malaysian insiders why that is?
(I'm not trolling, it's an honest question that really have my interest. I'd appreciate if you have knowledge to share).
Cheers,
FB
Okay I think the discussions in this thread is really getting out of hand. Malaysia side has been doing a good job to develop badminton. As clearly can be seen Malaysia won 3 silver medals during Olympics 2016. It is the best achievements ever.
Actually everything has been solved and no issues left. Lee Chong Wei just won the concluded All England MS title trashing Shi Yuqi flat. That means he is good. Despite not fully healed from his knee injury as evident from his heavily strapped knees, he still won the title.
Morten Frost has be doing a good job to bring up the standard of Malaysia badminton. This is good news.
All in Malaysia badminton is on the right track. I don't understand why is there a need to keep on discussing nonstop at Lee Chong Wei thread here and keep on bashing up and getting into constant arguments when practically there is no more issues left. Everything has been okay since long ago right? So why need to keep on bringing up new things to discuss when there is no more issues to discuss? It is just a pure waste of time.
Actually everything has been solved and no issues left. Lee Chong Wei just won the concluded All England MS title trashing Shi Yuqi flat. That means he is good. Despite not fully healed from his knee injury as evident from his heavily strapped knees, he still won the title.
Morten Frost has be doing a good job to bring up the standard of Malaysia badminton. This is good news.
All in Malaysia badminton is on the right track. I don't understand why is there a need to keep on discussing nonstop at Lee Chong Wei thread here and keep on bashing up and getting into constant arguments when practically there is no more issues left. Everything has been okay since long ago right? So why need to keep on bringing up new things to discuss when there is no more issues to discuss? It is just a pure waste of time.
In China everything has not been nice and then the China badminton is clearly going downhill with just 1 XD title won during All England. Even the WD is no longer on the winning side. China is no longer the power house and clearly as evident as that.
In China everyday we get to read lots and lots of news about what Li Yongbo as the head coach has done and it indirectly caused China badminton to be on the downfall. The news published on daily basis and everyone in the whole world can read it.
So comparing Morten Frost to Li Yongbo o would say Morten Frost is doing a good job here whereas Li Yongbo is not. But that is how those in China has bear with it for so many years because China won't have a chance to change a new head coach not ever. So I feel there is no need to keep on wasting time to discuss and keep on arguing when basically everything in Malaysia is pointing to the right track.
Even in China when everything is not on the right track we never openly discuss about it and just keep quiet about it.
In China everyday we get to read lots and lots of news about what Li Yongbo as the head coach has done and it indirectly caused China badminton to be on the downfall. The news published on daily basis and everyone in the whole world can read it.
So comparing Morten Frost to Li Yongbo o would say Morten Frost is doing a good job here whereas Li Yongbo is not. But that is how those in China has bear with it for so many years because China won't have a chance to change a new head coach not ever. So I feel there is no need to keep on wasting time to discuss and keep on arguing when basically everything in Malaysia is pointing to the right track.
Even in China when everything is not on the right track we never openly discuss about it and just keep quiet about it.
shooting stroke
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In Msia, politucian dictate how sports being run. Whether it end well or not, even if you are a very influential coach, the decision is not for you to make. The Sultan or son of a Sultan, Tan Sri or wife of a minister will do it. When your field of authority has been restricted and such administrative scenario is what you need to face without nothing much you can do, then few decision with bad calls do happen.
I blame BAM top management for the current lack of progress and state of Msia MS dept. I blame them for all the rift that happens between MF and DLCW. Both MF and DLCW is legends that comes from different era. If you were to see MF plays live in Stadium Negara In the 80s and 90s, he is one hell of a fantastic player with impressive results. As majestic it is to watch how DLCW is playing, it goes the same to MF. DLCW and MF should not be having issue between them. As they are a very influential and respected players in the badminton community, having foul heart, hidden feelings or whatsoever is not a way to make badminton a better sport. And again as much i pitty MF and DLCW, their relationship should not in any way have some problem and i blame BAM for what happen.
Thank lord DLCW won the AE and the XD went to the final, if otherwise not, god know what will this 2 respected stars being bashed with.
I blame BAM top management for the current lack of progress and state of Msia MS dept. I blame them for all the rift that happens between MF and DLCW. Both MF and DLCW is legends that comes from different era. If you were to see MF plays live in Stadium Negara In the 80s and 90s, he is one hell of a fantastic player with impressive results. As majestic it is to watch how DLCW is playing, it goes the same to MF. DLCW and MF should not be having issue between them. As they are a very influential and respected players in the badminton community, having foul heart, hidden feelings or whatsoever is not a way to make badminton a better sport. And again as much i pitty MF and DLCW, their relationship should not in any way have some problem and i blame BAM for what happen.
Thank lord DLCW won the AE and the XD went to the final, if otherwise not, god know what will this 2 respected stars being bashed with.
Try looking it from a different point of view. All the info we got is from LCW's side. Its all one sided and we didnt hear anything from BAM or MF saying 'yes, he told me about the mat but it is me! who refused to change it until he gets injured'. All the 5points you stated there makes LCW looks like a selfish person. I can also say :-
1. LCW is such a baby, after playing for so many yrs, he needs a coach to tell him what to do and w/o a coach, he cant even win a game. MF needs to watch out for the budgets given for every tournaments and sending so many ppl to accompany LCW alone, he might think its a waste of tax payer's money as he is fr Denmark and how many coaches you see from the Denmark team. He might not realise that Malaysians are willing to waste money like water flowing into the sea that time and hence, LCW gets a bus load of ppl accompanying him now.
2. If LCW needs to go through Hendrawan to notify MF, how many stages you think MF has to go through to seek approvals to change the mats? And how many stages it needs to get the people to come change. All these needs time to settle and it definately wont happen in 10mins.
3. Pressuring might seemed abit intense. But look at reality, how old is LCW now? How many players play beyond 35? MF needs to know his plans so that he can make his arrangements too. Assigning 2coaches for LCW now, he needs to know when is LCW gonna retire so that he can arrange and plan everything in advance.
4. I wonder if he doesnt have anyone to spar with him, what did he do everyday prior to Rio, stood there and watch everyone else train? Having enough ppl to spar and having alot of ppl to spar with him is different. MF might think 1or2 person to spar (one-on-one) is enough but LCW might think he needs 10different juniors with different style is still not enough?
Anyway, the above is an example of a different point of view if one were to stand on MF's side. It is not what actually happened. I had to think hard to do this
, so no offence here 
. Thanks, bye and have a good night!Clearly this is not MF's issue anymore if after LCW got injured, and if he is loved by the whole country, how come only 3mats were changed? I dont see how powerful MF can be if he can stop the very TOP PEOPLE from changing all the mats if they want. why only blame MF? BAM is not willing to change the mats too. Isn't LCW's injury important enough to BAM? I dont see how it is if only 3mats were being taken care of. His injury is only worth 3 safer mats here, and a special team.
Oh god, I wonder how long LCW has to keep playing if you are waiting for them to ready to take LCW's mantle. I guess they will even retire before LCW can legally retire at the age of 60? Then I guess you will be the happiest that you get to see him playing for another 20+ years. happy watching!
That's a little disrespectful. He was good enough to beat Axelsen at the AE,the last 2 games convincingly, good enough to beat one of the most unpredictable and dangerous up-and-coming players Srikanth in the Rio Games QF and take LCW down to the wire. As a player, i think LD's strokeplay is stylish, and it's effective. As a player of the same age as Lin Dan, who used to play aggressive badminton/ power game in the LD mold, I can tell you that you get injured, and those injuries don't fully heal. I'd be amazed if Lin Dan's body - especially upper body/ back/ shoulder can still keep throwing those heavy smashes. It's credit to him that he's now got this Rolls Royce style, smooth as silk, and if you haven't noticed, a lot of LD's game is BETTER now than in his power-game heyday. (net play, backhand clear, general street smarts). He won't be able to do it forever. But right now, he's still a definite contender for every major tournament. He's not at the level of LCW/ CL right now, but not far off. Still better than the rest. (Axelsen and Momota are close to his level though I think, and Chou Tien Chen impressed me recently as well.. needs more stamina still though.)
And yea. So LD lost to Shi Yuqi and then LCW routed Shi easily. (But then Chen Long lost to Saensomboonsuk, which is a surprise (though the thai is a underrated good player with a good attacking game) and last year LCW lost to some indian guy in the first round. Blips happen. I agree though that LD lost because he wasn't quick enough. but even in the final Shi Yuqi made me nervous for the first half of the first game for LCW. The young lad is growing into a great game... when he's fit enough, i wouldn't be surprised if he's a top 3 in the world player. he has weapons.) BTW, I am a LCW fan, not a lin dan fanboy, this isn't bias.