Sigh, this is the problem of non-Malaysia badminton fan. They seemed to know better about our badminton scene and it's backstage problem more than we do. Just because Frost did a few good things, doesn't mean he is all good. All of you ignore the few bad things he did. 1. Prevent TSB from accompanying LCW to Japan Open. 2. Refuse to change slippery mat, injuring LCW thus. 3. Preassuring LCW to retite after injury. 4. Refuse to let LCW spar with junior before Rio. 5. Before any of you spar specialist say anything, spar is not shuttle feeding.
Yes, because these insiders is ignoring the blatant sabotaging by MF to LCW as mentioned in the post above.
Just because you did a few good things, doesn't mean you don't make mistakes in th past. These insiders have to stop denying the true root of this problem.
The non-Malaysian fans do not have the Malaysian fans knowledge, that is for sure, or at least I certainly do not. It is just that we are bound to form an opinion with what we see in the media, having no other sources, no internal feeds. Just based on those official reports, I believe most of us did not see faults from MF, or faults serious enough to push someone to say "it's me or him".
Care to explain, Rembo? If point 2/3 is not enough for you, then you should refrain from talking about things that you don't know about like you are Morten Frost. Good riddance.
How could we hear the side of MF story if he wouldn't comment? It's a one way street. Communication not working if it's one way, it takes two to tango. What's his rationale behind asking LCW to retire now if LCW is current world number one and if you pay attention even in the recent AE final he demolished and out skilled Shi Yuqi and outrun CTC in term of stamina in the semifinal. Clearly he could still give any youngsters even more than 10 years apart that he's still got what it takes. No we're not even talking Malaysian juniors that MF would have thought were over shadowed because of LCW's mega stardom, these are rising young future talents from China and Taiwan.
We have talked about those points before, but somehow different ways of thinking about them do not reach you. I am sorry if my opinion disturb you, but those things went into the media, not by my fault.
Please go back at the beginning of the discussion, the points you mentioned were all discussed. The mat affair is bs, and after all the complaining only three mats were removed, on the 18, clearly showing there is nothing wrong with them. How could they? there Victor mats, like all Victor mats we see in the tourneys. For you point 3, all what was said on the media was that LCW was upset by Frost question on his retirement. As other members mentioned earlier in the discussion, there is nothing offensive in that, as a serious injury easily leads to retirement. This, by the way, was only coming from LCW's mouth, and was not "pressuring LCW" in any way. Now if you have other sources then what was relayed in the newspaper, or articles that were not mentioned here, you are welcome to give new evidence. Otherwise I don't see why you keep rambling on, everything has been said in the previous ten pages. BTW, what you call "speculative way of speaking" is just simple politeness. You have heard about it perhaps?
Oh sir, so how do you prove MF's innocence then? Double standard is another of this forum's cliche. Judging from your post, all your statement is nothing more than 'mere speculation' spiced with some wild accusations.
What irked me is MF was already asking LCW post Rio while he actually still have the capability and in some matches with no contest defeated a few SS title holder young rising stars like Qiao Bin, Shi Yuqi, CTC, etc like more than 10 years younger than him. Their relationship had been tense prior Rio when MF stopped him from sparring. They probably haven't talked since. MF was said to have a tough approach ( more of "keras kepala" or stubborn according to a few Malay friends) and has dominated law and order. That's when LCW need third party like BAM and Minister of Sports to resolve the feud lah.
I believe MF talked but just not in public to the press for a good reason (it's likely to turn ugly making it impossible for BAM to do any damage control). Didn't the deputy BAM head, Norza, said she's been trying to mediate between the two for sometime but in vain ? I' m sure both Norza and the BAM head know what's best for MAS badminton, even if they weren't badminton players (cmiiw). If non-MAS fans shouldn't comment on this matter as we don't know what the 'truth' is, no inside information, only what's been reported in the press - what about the BAM heads? Why didn't they take sides or find grounds to punish MF ? In the first place, why hire foreign coaches, Hendrawan, now MF twice, in the past Han Jian and Yang Yang. Now that LCW has come home with an AE crown, you guys think MF is irrelevant or less important? LCW alone is enough for MAS badminton, for how long more, Tokyo 2020? Goh Jin Wei, Lee Zi Jia,Lim Chi Wing, Leong Jun Hao, Iskandar, Zufadli, the MD, XD, all of them continue to become secondary characters ? Anyway, enough, I've lost interest in this topic , it's getting nowhere. Let's agree to disagree. All I can say is I believe Morten Frost is a man of integrity, with professional ethics, and as one of the all-time greats in badminton and now a coach, he has a reputation and standing to protect and maintain , and he will perform his utter best for MAS badminton; that's why I think the MAS government trusted and tasked him to bring MAS badminton to the next level.
You want Iskandar, Jun Hao, Chi Wing and others to go to Tokyo 2020 and suceed? Then ask them on how NOT to choke in SMALL tournaments. Zii Jia choked hard vs Kanthapon. Chi Wing choke vs SYQ. Please la, ask them to train harder to improve their skill first. How to become protagonist in Malaysia badminton if lost all the time in GPG and lower level tournaments. Do you thimk they are on LCW's level. Dream on boys. They are NOT ready to take the mantle yet.
Let's just disagree to "agree to disagree" like all of you like to say when things are not going on your way. I wonder who post all of these news in LCW's thread in the first place?
MF wronged LCW by suggesting him to retire, while he still could win titles for Malaysian. That's like giving free tickets to China and other countries who would grab the title if LCW no longer around. Is LCW really that big of hindrance for Malaysian badminton development? Any guarantee MF can make Malaysia number one if LCW step down? If a lot of Malaysian people even BAM and Minister of Sports are backing LCW to still play to bring glory for Malaysia, MF should respect the conformity and wait, eventually LCW will succumb to mother nature (time). But for the time being (judging from last AE performance), he will still be high on the list of the strong contender at every tournament. One does not simply ask a WR1 and 34 years old AE winner to quit early. We as badminton fans who love the game still want to see LCW on court.
I am starting to get headaches reading all the post hear. However back about DLCW.......he is going for his 12th Malaysia Open title......what?...... 12!!!!!!!.......at 34....with 2 kids.....and a recently injured knee.....Amazing feat if he can do it.... and hell ya he can do it of course I just cant recall if there is any other athlete in other sports defending a title for the 12th time?......anyone? Good luck DLCW..... My prayers is always with you. As far as it sounds great to see him again winning his 4th AE ......the main agenda and topic will always be about...... can he deliver what no player from Malaysia has done that is becoming the world champion. We know he can, his wife Datin WMC also for sure thinks he can, Kong from skull island also said the same, even Logan told me he has his support......therefore Datuk.... Its now grind down to about handling that pressure about wanting to win the world title.... If he can mentally focus and deal it.....i am very confident that the title will be yours.. As for now, just be physically fit and dont get injured. If you have the opportunity, spend some time as usual and seek advice and guidance from your greatest mentor, Datuk Misbun.
Then why spend so much money hiring MF for when any local coach will do? BAM heads and the MAS government don't understand MAS badminton and what needs to be done for the long haul ? Hello, this is an open forum, everybody has the right to exercise their freedom of expression responsibly or choose not to speak. We are 'outsiders' and just because we weigh in on the topic doesn't mean we're meddling in MAS badminton's internal affair. If LCW hadn't blared so much to the press which faithfully reported everything he said (while MF wisely chose to remain silent , as a result we only get to hear one side of the story), will we even be talking about it today ? Don't blame the posters for the news, they're everywhere on the Internet. I say we agree to disagree because I don't want to argue for argument's sake like what you're doing now. Enough said.
You're out of reach on this topic. But let me ask you about something completely different: Chen Long Wang Zhengming Tian Houwei Viktor Axelsen Zulfadli Zulkiffli Kento Momota What do they have in common, and who stands out? I'd like to ask the Malaysian insiders why that is? (I'm not trolling, it's an honest question that really have my interest. I'd appreciate if you have knowledge to share). Cheers, FB
Okay I think the discussions in this thread is really getting out of hand. Malaysia side has been doing a good job to develop badminton. As clearly can be seen Malaysia won 3 silver medals during Olympics 2016. It is the best achievements ever. Actually everything has been solved and no issues left. Lee Chong Wei just won the concluded All England MS title trashing Shi Yuqi flat. That means he is good. Despite not fully healed from his knee injury as evident from his heavily strapped knees, he still won the title. Morten Frost has be doing a good job to bring up the standard of Malaysia badminton. This is good news. All in Malaysia badminton is on the right track. I don't understand why is there a need to keep on discussing nonstop at Lee Chong Wei thread here and keep on bashing up and getting into constant arguments when practically there is no more issues left. Everything has been okay since long ago right? So why need to keep on bringing up new things to discuss when there is no more issues to discuss? It is just a pure waste of time.
