Lee Chong Wei ( 李宗伟 )

Depends on the match. In the OG Bronze match, he was fine with 3 games, but in the AE, LD made him run a LOT, especially in G2. Also I guess VA got frustrated since so many of his attacking shots came back and he couldnt get on the attack quite enough...

LD said the difference was that the AE was him relatively fresh, as opposed to the Rio games where LD had a physically and mentally draining loss in 3 long games to LCW (and tho LD has the class not to say it, i will.... only a bronze medal to play for.)
 
Nope, he faced his opponent when doing so.


but did he face LCW when doing so?


I suppose I have to just make it absolutely clear again that I am not opposed to raising fists or shouting after winning points. I don't think players (not one player) should be directly facing their opponent when doing so.

I think it's OK either way. If my opponent does it, i don;t see it as a threat, just that he's pumped up for the match and it usually makes me play better too. I wilt sometimes when my opponent gives me no emotion... start thinking, 'he's cruising, barely trying'. LOL.
 
It's not that LCW treats his juniors badly. It's that the juniors naturally feel intimidated by his presence and star power. When he asks you to feed him or play 3 vs 1 against him, how can you dare say no? Eventually it'll wear down on your self esteem and self belief. Just like LD in team China. That's what MF was talking about. What's good for LCW is not necessarily good for the developing juniors. And MAS desperately need to develop their juniors.

There's some truth to that. It's also true that LCW has been very supportive of the juniors development, and a model example. He's not a selfish guy, but equally he can't afford to be entirely altruistic either. Not when he's only got a couple more chsnces to land an elusive World Championship. The paradigm itself puts LCW and Morten into opposition. Now, I'm a big fan of LCW, and I don't think he's being 'precious'. He genuinely feels undermined, and then there's the mat incident, and the fact that Morten is sort of in his 'chain of command' but not a resource, and is hinting he should retire. (MF should not have said that. The rest I can understand, but that;s just selfish. Maybe even malicious.)

I have met LCW a few times and he's a gracious guy, and quite genuine, but i think there's a stubborn streak and a fair bit of pride there too. He isn't the sort to take a slight, and Morten is pretty single-minded in doing HIS job for HIS players - and LCW is not his responsibility. I blame BAM for only belately realising this is a disaster waiting to happen. They should have structured stuff differently. I think it's sad. Because I think Frost would have been an AWESOME 1-on-1 coach for LCW, imparting some of his sangfroid on LCW, making him even better at closing out the big matches. But that didn't happen.
 
MF, axelson and vittinggus should apologize to LCW .. That's all..if they want talk about LCW attitude just try face to face..not at the back..just like frost he's not talking face2face with LCW about the retirement..that's rude..after long time LCW cannot hold it anymore..we all know LCW very humble and nice person..the court mat issue show MF not doing a good job..he should take action after the complaint not after the player got injured..

What did Axelsen and Vittinghus do BTW?
 
No apology needed at all. They were doing a podcast, the discussion touched on that particular topic, and they mentioned what they think of different players. It's honest, and you shouldn't ever apologize for something like that as long as you dont insult anyone and dont smear them, and as far as I know, they did neither. Just mentioned they dont like him very much. I think LCW can live with that.

A lot of sour grapes from the Danes, clearly. Axelsen is just wrong saying LCW aims for the body all the time when he has an easy kill. He sometimes does it, but at the level they play at,you can't always avoid the player. If you do, they'll do their homework, pick up on it, and maybe get a few of those back. Hell, its not like its going to injure you, unless you get hit in the eye. The only thing i might say is LCW doesn't always apologise if he does hit you with the shuttle. A bad habit he's picked up at some point, perhaps coaches saying you need to be less of a nice guy more ruthless etc.

As for the 'arrogance'... No. Not really. He's businesslike while he's doing his job, doesn't use gamesmanship, doesn't tamper the shuttle or give his opponent grief during the rallies, is respectful of opponent and umpire. And afterwards, he always has something nice to say to his opponent, win or lose. I'd like to play him, honestly ;)

Vittinghus is more balanced in what he says. The worst thing he says is accusing LCW of showboating. Well, the only thing i've seen LCW do like that maybe is this hold and flick from the net up the line. but Peter Gade did that all the time and nobody calls that arrogant. Because LCW's usual play is more methodical, perhaps it comes across as showboating, but to me its just a sign of confidence. The only other thing i've seen is this wierd pirouette - turning 360 degrees and running after the shuttle - but he does that when wrong-footed in huge matches with CL or LD, so i'm going to say that is unusual but not showmanship.

Either way. I don't think LCW is going to lose any sleep over it.
 
Which part of LCW statement talk about 'domination'? Pls quote it
LCW is talking about 'Age' & 'Great Performance' for fan or in other words "old but still being competitive in sport".

Rafael Nadal, age 30, World Ranking = 6
Roger Federer, age 35, World Ranking = 10

LCW, age 35, World Ranking = 1
LD, age 34, World Ranking = 7

Btw, a lot Malaysian know who is Roger Federer & Rafael Nadal, there no need to explain to Malaysian who are them.
Just pick any newspaper in Malaysia.....Malay, Chinese or English during Wimbledon or Grand Slam you will definitely
able to read tennis news & see the photo of the player. LCW is just like any other Malaysian, when it come to sport our interest & knowledge are more globalize.


http://www.thestar.com.my/sport/

It's quite humble actually, when you think about it. in tennis terms, Djokovic and Murray are the men you'd put money on, whereas Fed and Rafa are the guys who might play a blinding tournament once in a while when their bodies allow it and the conditions suit their game. Manwhile LCW and LD are still part of an elite top 3, with little between them and CL.

iT'S an interesting comparison on another level, too, because LD is arguably the all-time greatest player, much as Federer may well be in tennis. But LCW is a worthy foil for LD, because of his ultra-consistent performance in the SS - just as Rafa was for Federer in tennis but for a compltely different reason, in the latter case it was Rafa's domination of the head-to-head battles.
 
How could we hear the side of MF story if he wouldn't comment? It's a one way street. Communication not working if it's one way, it takes two to tango.

What's his rationale behind asking LCW to retire now if LCW is current world number one and if you pay attention even in the recent AE final he demolished and out skilled Shi Yuqi and outrun CTC in term of stamina in the semifinal. Clearly he could still give any youngsters even more than 10 years apart that he's still got what it takes. No we're not even talking Malaysian juniors that MF would have thought were over shadowed because of LCW's mega stardom, these are rising young future talents from China and Taiwan.

A real cynic would say LCW had a lovely draw, which opened up further once CL lost to Saensomboonsuk. But then i would say, he was by far the best player in the tournament - more committed than Lin Dan, more consistent than CL. He came into the tournament on 1.5 legs, and crafted a game style that allowed him to pressure his opponents and use his speed without worsening his injury. He played with a cool mind and great self belief. in a lot of ways he showcased the best of what he is as a player. Courageous, committed, dedicated, and how complete a shotmaker and athlete he is. I think paradoxically the injury helped him be methodical and play disciplined stuff. And nobody - except Chou Tien Chen - had a clue how to stop him imposing his game. He WON the AE playing throughout on a really bad injury that it is clear has not fully healed even now.
 
In China everything has not been nice and then the China badminton is clearly going downhill with just 1 XD title won during All England. Even the WD is no longer on the winning side. China is no longer the power house and clearly as evident as that.


In China everyday we get to read lots and lots of news about what Li Yongbo as the head coach has done and it indirectly caused China badminton to be on the downfall. The news published on daily basis and everyone in the whole world can read it.





So comparing Morten Frost to Li Yongbo o would say Morten Frost is doing a good job here whereas Li Yongbo is not. But that is how those in China has bear with it for so many years because China won't have a chance to change a new head coach not ever. So I feel there is no need to keep on wasting time to discuss and keep on arguing when basically everything in Malaysia is pointing to the right track.




Even in China when everything is not on the right track we never openly discuss about it and just keep quiet about it.

Undue pessimism. Even China can't dominate every single tournament. There's a lot more competition now across every discipline, not because China are necessarily getting worse, but because the rest of the world are catching up, even in disciplines like WD which used to be an all-Chinese affair in the finals. Women's Singles is class right now - Marin, Newhal, Sindhu, Intanon and my favourite Tai Tzu Ying from the rest of the world and probably anyone in the Top 10 can win a SS. China arguably disappointing in MD tho, i think they'll get it right eventually, and in Mixed, they have a lot of talents. MS predictably LCW or CL every tournament for the next year. Personally happy its not chinese domination across the board. its nice at the moment that there are so many countries represented at the top level, even from countries like Spain, Taipei that aren't traditional powerhouses. Lots of different styles.
 
There's some truth to that. It's also true that LCW has been very supportive of the juniors development, and a model example. He's not a selfish guy, but equally he can't afford to be entirely altruistic either. Not when he's only got a couple more chsnces to land an elusive World Championship. The paradigm itself puts LCW and Morten into opposition. Now, I'm a big fan of LCW, and I don't think he's being 'precious'. He genuinely feels undermined, and then there's the mat incident, and the fact that Morten is sort of in his 'chain of command' but not a resource, and is hinting he should retire. (MF should not have said that. The rest I can understand, but that;s just selfish. Maybe even malicious.)

I have met LCW a few times and he's a gracious guy, and quite genuine, but i think there's a stubborn streak and a fair bit of pride there too. He isn't the sort to take a slight, and Morten is pretty single-minded in doing HIS job for HIS players - and LCW is not his responsibility. I blame BAM for only belately realising this is a disaster waiting to happen. They should have structured stuff differently. I think it's sad. Because I think Frost would have been an AWESOME 1-on-1 coach for LCW, imparting some of his sangfroid on LCW, making him even better at closing out the big matches. But that didn't happen.

Wow great post! I really like this one last part.
 
A lot of sour grapes from the Danes, clearly. Axelsen is just wrong saying LCW aims for the body all the time when he has an easy kill. He sometimes does it, but at the level they play at,you can't always avoid the player. If you do, they'll do their homework, pick up on it, and maybe get a few of those back. Hell, its not like its going to injure you, unless you get hit in the eye. The only thing i might say is LCW doesn't always apologise if he does hit you with the shuttle. A bad habit he's picked up at some point, perhaps coaches saying you need to be less of a nice guy more ruthless etc.

As for the 'arrogance'... No. Not really. He's businesslike while he's doing his job, doesn't use gamesmanship, doesn't tamper the shuttle or give his opponent grief during the rallies, is respectful of opponent and umpire. And afterwards, he always has something nice to say to his opponent, win or lose. I'd like to play him, honestly ;)

Vittinghus is more balanced in what he says. The worst thing he says is accusing LCW of showboating. Well, the only thing i've seen LCW do like that maybe is this hold and flick from the net up the line. but Peter Gade did that all the time and nobody calls that arrogant. Because LCW's usual play is more methodical, perhaps it comes across as showboating, but to me its just a sign of confidence. The only other thing i've seen is this wierd pirouette - turning 360 degrees and running after the shuttle - but he does that when wrong-footed in huge matches with CL or LD, so i'm going to say that is unusual but not showmanship.

Either way. I don't think LCW is going to lose any sleep over it.
As for the showboating/arrogance, I've seen it a few times in easier matches in earlier rounds. Makes it quite obvious that he doesnt take the opponent seriously, turning lazily for a backhand, walking around on court and intentionally playing a worse shot due to that, playing trickshots (most of which are utterly useless as the motion is huge)...
Its not a huge deal to me, but I can see how some players would hate that kind of behaviour. Especially someone like HKV who believes in giving 100% in every match and rally, but as far as I've heard, his criticism was pretty mild.

Regarding the issue with hitting opponents, it's not something I've noticed with LCW, but I've certainly seen that Asian players in general tend to apologize a bit less than the Europeans, especially for net cords, but also for stuff like that (and celebrating their opponent's unforced errors). Seems to be a slight cultural/philosophical difference.
 
LD said the difference was that the AE was him relatively fresh, as opposed to the Rio games where LD had a physically and mentally draining loss in 3 long games to LCW (and tho LD has the class not to say it, i will.... only a bronze medal to play for.)

Yeah, sure. Why play for a medal at the Olympics when you can get a semifinal spot at the All England?! :D
 


From Shuttleflash.


You beat me to it. I was about to share this excellent video.

The way ShutteFlash implements badminton gossip, recent matches, highlights, slow motion shots and music into his videos is second to none (in the badminton world). You know he's got to be a really passionate badminton spectator/player. So ShuttleFlash, if you are reading this: Thanks for making the best badminton videos on YouTube! :D
 
There's some truth to that. It's also true that LCW has been very supportive of the juniors development, and a model example. He's not a selfish guy, but equally he can't afford to be entirely altruistic either. Not when he's only got a couple more chsnces to land an elusive World Championship. The paradigm itself puts LCW and Morten into opposition. Now, I'm a big fan of LCW, and I don't think he's being 'precious'. He genuinely feels undermined, and then there's the mat incident, and the fact that Morten is sort of in his 'chain of command' but not a resource, and is hinting he should retire. (MF should not have said that. The rest I can understand, but that;s just selfish. Maybe even malicious.)

I have met LCW a few times and he's a gracious guy, and quite genuine, but i think there's a stubborn streak and a fair bit of pride there too. He isn't the sort to take a slight, and Morten is pretty single-minded in doing HIS job for HIS players - and LCW is not his responsibility. I blame BAM for only belately realising this is a disaster waiting to happen. They should have structured stuff differently. I think it's sad. Because I think Frost would have been an AWESOME 1-on-1 coach for LCW, imparting some of his sangfroid on LCW, making him even better at closing out the big matches. But that didn't happen.
On the contrary, I believe LCW, lately, has been selfish, ungrateful and if I may say so, stupid.
Selfish because he gets the lion share of coach time and the juniors have to support him at the expense of their own training. If the juniors get to spar with him often, it would show up in their tournament performance. That has not been the case. If LCW wants 3 vs 1 and ' feeding shuttles' support, BAM should arrange outside help and not use his juniors. If BAM is not willing to pay for it, then LCW should. The money is peanuts as a percentage of his earnings. If LCW thinks outside help may not be good enough, these people can be offered incentives to put in their best effort, like getting a bonus when LCW wins the next title, because the 3vs1 and feeding shuttles is a mindless job.

Ungrateful because he doesn't realise what MF has done for him. If it had not been for MF convincing BAM about LCW s talent and going to Penang to get him back to KL, LCW wouldn't be in badminton today. ( He could have been a gangster, contractor or shopkeeper, who knows.) If it had not been for MF assigning Hendrawan to coach LCW, Rashid would still be coaching him. As for the media claim about MF asking him to retire, well, LCW should reflect on what was actually meant. MF speaking to Hendrawan in English, Hendrawan translating it into Bahasa to LCW and LCW figuring it out in Hokkien. Make a guess how much is warped in the triple translation.

Stupid because he refuses to change the way he trains. He expects MF to do it his way instead of changing and learning from MF s way. Would LCW be able to win WC? Unlikely unless MF is his tournament coach. At his level, matches are won on tactics and MF is a tactics expert.
 
I think pjswift made some good points.

LCW would have been more successful if he had MF sitting at the coaches' chair at some of his previous important matches rather than Rashid or TSB.
 
Wow, strong words. Impressive.

Bit surprised you write like this when you wrote the following about me before.
Even I am impressed, really a surprise coming from her. Not only this post but also the previous one about MF, so sensible, rational and judicious.:):D
 
I think pjswift made some good points.

LCW would have been more successful if he had MF sitting at the coaches' chair at some of his previous important matches rather than Rashid or TSB.
Definitely a different perspective. More successful is very hard to say.
 
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