I believe should Msia aspire to progress, then no player can be made bigger than the game itself. If LCW quit now, so be it. Yes, we may suffer a while but let it be known that no player hold the nation at ransom.
Lee Chong Wei should apologise
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I believe should Msia aspire to progress, then no player can be made bigger than the game itself. If LCW quit now, so be it. Yes, we may suffer a while but let it be known that no player hold the nation at ransom.
Yes, very true BUT we cant allow one player to hold the country at ransom. No one is above or bigger than the game.
Don't exaggerate. He's not holding the country at ransom. No, he is not bigger than the game of badminton, but his wrong-doing is also not big enough to warrant quitting the team.
Umm... arn't malaysians making too much fuss about LCW. He isn't really that good. Both LD and TH are clearly a couple of levels above LCW.
In the case of LD it goes without saying, as I've lost count how many times he has owned LCW, as he almost toys with him, although in MO he was over confident in stretching out the game, as playing 3 sets is a bad habit of LD.
While in the case of TH, it depends on if he has prepared well enough. When his game is on LCW is almost helpless.
LCW is really realistically competing against BCL, CY, CJ, LHI, SDK, SS and PG, and it seems obvious to me already that Chen Jin is better than LCW.
LCW isn't going to ever win the WC unless a good few of those players are absent. So even if LCW quits (which I hope he doesn't) the badminton scene isn't going to change very much.
What major titles has LCW won? OG? WC? AE? AG? Did he ever get to the finals of any of those majors???
In the case of LD it goes without saying, as I've lost count how many times he has owned LCW, as he almost toys with him, although in MO he was over confident in stretching out the game, as playing 3 sets is a bad habit of LD.
While in the case of TH, it depends on if he has prepared well enough. When his game is on LCW is almost helpless.
LCW is really realistically competing against BCL, CY, CJ, LHI, SDK, SS and PG, and it seems obvious to me already that Chen Jin is better than LCW.
LCW isn't going to ever win the WC unless a good few of those players are absent. So even if LCW quits (which I hope he doesn't) the badminton scene isn't going to change very much.
What major titles has LCW won? OG? WC? AE? AG? Did he ever get to the finals of any of those majors???
Am not exaggerating. Am just responding to vching's comments that should LCW quit the game, MAS will suffer. You just need to scroll back and read a little and try to understand.
First of all, we are not bashing LCW. We need to set aside our frail egos and not call out 'bashing' every time we find a discussion not to our liking.
Secondly, I was responding to your comments about if LCW quit, MAS will suffer.
Thirdly, on your question about me being in LCW's shoes. Well, if thats the case (me being in his shoes), I will not shift the blame to YKH. I will look at why I fail rather than point the blame elsewhere.
OneToughBirdie
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Umm... arn't malaysians making too much fuss about LCW. He isn't really that good. Both LD and TH are clearly a couple of levels above LCW.
TH/LD give an aura of confidence that they can win all the time, that it takes a lot to beat them and almost impossible to beat them if they are in peak form. I am not bashing LCW cos I like him and the way he plays esp with LD/TH are very entertaining matches and usually fans get their money worth, I mean those paying fans, not the dl-for-free type...hahaha!
I have said many times, LCW matches LD in many departments, except a powerful smash like LD or TH...his game is technical but quite fragile, something goes wrong and his game falls apart. If everything lines up for CW, he is tough to beat, but then, not everything in life is perfect ALL the time.
LD reminds me of a Toyota truck, even if something minor goes wrong, it can still putters on and roll over obstruction in its path....therefore if LD is behind, he thinks he can come back to win and he knows he can play the 3rd set as if playing the first, no sign of fatique. TH game is technical too, and even with questionable fitness, TH made up with his BH smash, superior net play and a powerful smash. Both play like gang busters, with an air of arrogance and confidence that champions possess. LCW is like a fine tuned sports car, technical and complex, something minor goes iffy and it quits. But if all the parts works and purr in perfection, CW game is exciting and very tough to beat.
In the case of LD it goes without saying, as I've lost count how many times he has owned LCW, as he almost toys with him, although in MO he was over confident in stretching out the game, as playing 3 sets is a bad habit of LD. While in the case of TH, it depends on if he has prepared well enough. When his game is on LCW is almost helpless.
Lately, I think TH and LD takes LCW quite seriously as a rival...previously I concur with you that TH and especially LD do not take LCW or his opponents seriously, you can call lack of respect. LD respect TH as equal, maybe knowing that TH can beat him or realizing that each game with TH is not easy and an all out affair, win or lose.
LCW is really realistically competing against BCL, CY, CJ, LHI, SDK, SS and PG, and it seems obvious to me already that Chen Jin is better than LCW. LCW isn't going to ever win the WC unless a good few of those players are absent. So even if LCW quits (which I hope he doesn't) the badminton scene isn't going to change very much.
Quite agree with you here...except that I would put CJ at same level as LCW now....but CJ is young despite being around for some time now and still raw around the edges...but in 1 or 2 years time, he will hit big time while others who have hit peak time now will be 2 years older and possibly decline. I have said many times, I am predicting him to win OLY08 (if CHN do not fix the game outcome)...then again my prediction never works, I predict CJ to win WC07 and he got kick out early
LCW's skills is just as good as LD except....
Agreed mostly with your assesment with regards to Lin Dan and LCW.
Lee Chong Wei does have a potent attack, his cross court jump smash (aimed at either forehand/backhand) which is deceptively powerful coming from a scrawny player like him. Whereas Lin Dan is bigger than Chong Wei hence his jump smash is percieved to be more powerful.
Lee Chong Wei CAN retrieve Lin Dan's jump smash most of the time whereas Lin Dan is not so successful. The only technical advantage Lin Dan have over Chong Wei is his over the head smash which is almost as powerful as his jump smash. But Lin Dan has a big edge in mental toughness hence edge = Lin Dan.
Agreed mostly with your assesment with regards to Lin Dan and LCW.
Lee Chong Wei does have a potent attack, his cross court jump smash (aimed at either forehand/backhand) which is deceptively powerful coming from a scrawny player like him. Whereas Lin Dan is bigger than Chong Wei hence his jump smash is percieved to be more powerful.
Lee Chong Wei CAN retrieve Lin Dan's jump smash most of the time whereas Lin Dan is not so successful. The only technical advantage Lin Dan have over Chong Wei is his over the head smash which is almost as powerful as his jump smash. But Lin Dan has a big edge in mental toughness hence edge = Lin Dan.
good observations...
LCW is not a celebrity.When he made a statement ,he's not trying to create any controversy.his statement on YKH is something unneccesary,yes,i agree.but that was not LCW's intention.He made a mistake in court and outside court (in WC) but please keep supporting him.
he's always do the best for us,the malaysian fans,but we are not always be with him .
When he beat LD,we eulogize as he is a legend,now he is going through his hard time,just be with him,cant we?
he's always do the best for us,the malaysian fans,but we are not always be with him .
When he beat LD,we eulogize as he is a legend,now he is going through his hard time,just be with him,cant we?
Take him and we rather have Sony who is a fighter
Ship them to Siberia ! that will teach them a lesson on how good life is then.
Spoilt and Ungrateful
First of all, if the above are not bashing. I would call them name calling or worse.
I can scroll back and look for more if you guys want, but let's not bother.
If anyone should quit, don't you think the whole badminton squad should be quit before LCW? Since they can't even beat the "so shitty player LCW that you guys hate so much". Not even close.
Seriously how convenient to blame the players and everything. That makes you holier than LCW that blame his coach? Did you shed you frail egos before everyone?
Secondly, all he trying to point out is simply no one is better than LCW for the man single in malaysia. So unless you beat his ass on the court, he is still above you, not BAM. In other words, he is no above BAM, but BAM need him badly. Try a little harder next time trying to confuse other with you above-the-BAM accusation.
Thirdly, you will never in his shoes because you can never beat the irresponsible-blame-on-coach-chicken-****-lcw. You can't even be in Hafiz or Kuan Beng Hong shoes. You are even more pathetic here.(me included)
Now dont be mad at me first, but hey if that's the case, you should not shift the blame to others and start to think why you can't be the national top player represent us in the World Championship?
My point is, if the millions of us here can't even beat the childish LCW that mentally so so so weak, and thus resulting him representing us Malaysia and play badly in the international arena. Shouldn't we start to think why can't we play ourself instead of blaming on LCW?
I was embarrass of LCW losing himself but I am totally shame by seeing the reaction of the so called "Malaysian fans".
Look at England football team, fans put very high hopes on them winning, they fail in countless world cup and euro cup, but they still got their fans support. People still cheering on Lampard even he play badly and missed the penalty.
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OneToughBirdie
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Totally agree...I always said all baddy players are heroes to pursue this game, with the rewards so meagre and the training so hard, to make the nations proud and most importantly, has to face cynical and cry baby fans all the time...hahaha!!!
Actually England fans are pretty sick of the England team, most supporters I've spoken to wants Lampard to leave to better accomodate Gerrard and Hargreaves.
Nobody here is saying that they can beat LCW, only that his attitude was a little malicious and may well jeopardize someones elses job and reputation.
Everytime I watch LCW play against LD or TH, I always want him to win just to brake the hold that LD and TH has on all the major titles and I still hope he does well, but I still think he is not that good and is still a few levels below LD and TH.
Also, a little criticism is in order, I mean what is he? 25? He isn't a kid anymore and at that age he isn't going to get any better. His chances of a major title is already slim, he has to grow up very soon. No supporter is going to belittle him if he finishes his career without a major title but he has to realise that he is doing this for himself, not YKH hence there is little point in blaming others for your own failure. Most people just want him to try his best, to blame it on others makes it sound like we are forcing him to play like he's some kind of slave.
Nobody here is saying that they can beat LCW, only that his attitude was a little malicious and may well jeopardize someones elses job and reputation.
Everytime I watch LCW play against LD or TH, I always want him to win just to brake the hold that LD and TH has on all the major titles and I still hope he does well, but I still think he is not that good and is still a few levels below LD and TH.
Also, a little criticism is in order, I mean what is he? 25? He isn't a kid anymore and at that age he isn't going to get any better. His chances of a major title is already slim, he has to grow up very soon. No supporter is going to belittle him if he finishes his career without a major title but he has to realise that he is doing this for himself, not YKH hence there is little point in blaming others for your own failure. Most people just want him to try his best, to blame it on others makes it sound like we are forcing him to play like he's some kind of slave.
OneToughBirdie
Regular Member
I agree with you. LCW defense and 'dive' is very good to the point that he can retrieve LD jump smash almost all the time. LCW cross-court smash is very wicked and often left LD and TH helpless...but in WC07 something very very wrong, nothing works against Sony and CW cross-court smashes are not effective. As for LD mental toughness, the MS department in CHN must be a pressure cooker...with 3 being a crowd and so many good players waiting to take over, just to make the team you have to mentally tough and work your butt off all the time.