Let's conclude it, Lin Dan is the best MS baddy player in human history.
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damondemon
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Don't forget, the rules require players to participate in certain amount of events, that's why LD take part, The magic word here is take part, WIN is not in the rules.
Basically he is compelled to take part. Cut story short, SS/PSS/OPEN events, LCW take lah, MAjors like AG/OLMPICS/WC...ask the MAN 1st...WHO??? LIN DAN lah
are u sure? i count that H2H is 17:8, (16:8 from bwf website and 1 match again is not written in website : asian games 2010)
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Loh
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Quoted from Peter Gade's facebook:
[h=6]Peter Gade
But still, I’m very proud of the match and the way that I played. Todays final between Lin Dan and Chong Wei was a wonderful match and even tough there’s a lot of feelings in watching this for me, I simply enjoyed the match and the fact that I was on the podium today. Lin Dan is the true winner of this tournament and his mental attitude today in the final was simply second to none. In my point of view he is the best player in the history of the mens singles.[/h]
There you go as told by an evergreen.
PG said "history", which refers to the past, not the future!
Anyway his history may not included those past great players whom he has not seen nor played against.
PG said "history", which refers to the past, not the future!
Anyway his history may not included those past great players whom he has not seen nor played against.
I am sorry for LD. What Peter Gade said is meaningless if it is not approved by the BCers. According to the trend of Badminton central.
Checklist for LD to become the best ever MS player:
Ranked world #1 = checked
Winning All England = checked
Winning consecutive All England = checked
Winning Thomas Cup = checked
Winning Sudriman cup = checked
Winning OG = checked
Winning 1x WC = checked
Winning consecutive WC = checked
Winning WC at Malaysia soil = checked
Winning TC at Malaysia soil + robot dance = checked
Winning AG = checked
Winning 4 times WC = checked
BC approval = Epic Fail
Checklist for LCW to become the best ever baddy player:
BC approval = Checked
Therefore LCW > LD
extremenanopowe
Regular Member
Who won 3 OG?
I would say he is the best if he can win the remaining SS titles like IO, SO and MO.
Still it is too controversial to say he is the best because (again) people like YY and ZJH will not agree. lol.
I would say Taufik is closer to being the best because he won all except for AE. If both are at peak vs peak. It's 50-50 for sure.
I would say he is the best if he can win the remaining SS titles like IO, SO and MO.
Still it is too controversial to say he is the best because (again) people like YY and ZJH will not agree. lol.
I would say Taufik is closer to being the best because he won all except for AE.
If both are at peak vs peak. It's 50-50 for sure. 
ctjcad
Regular Member
..closer to being the best based on winning the 3 SE Asian tourneys??....I would say Taufik is closer to being the best because he won all except for AE.
IMO, winning the AE is somewhat of a requirement for someone to be called the best MS baddy player in human history, as it's the oldest and most storied tourney in baddy history...It's like the mother of all badminton championships/tournaments..
Actually, as i already mentioned, Yang Yang is arguably the best MS player in history if you want to count a player also winning the 3 South East Asia tourneys, on top of winning the WC, AE and the Olympics (YY won the MS title @ the 1988 Olympics badminton exhibition event)..*i, personally, don't count team events because the success depends on how good the team a player has..
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ctjcad
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FA might be the oldest futbol competition in the world, but unfortunately it stayed limited to British/UK/England region..
On the other hand, AE started in British/UK/England region but expanded out to include the rest of the world..it eventually became "The unofficial World Championships" almost like the World Cup of soccer..
As to whether TH at his best will toy LD at his best, that we won't know. All we know is Taufik's last big match & win vs. LD occurred at the start of TH's downhill career and LD's rise to the top career (2006 MS AG)..It also coincided around the same time the new scoring system was implemented..LD's fans could also argue Taufik didn't play the best or 2nd best player in the world during the 2004 OG (Shon Seungmo); while LD played against arguably the 2nd best player in the world during the 2008 OG..Eventually, comparing TH vs. LD, they'll just look at how many major titles (individuals only) LD & TH have collected in each back pocket..
On the other hand, AE started in British/UK/England region but expanded out to include the rest of the world..it eventually became "The unofficial World Championships" almost like the World Cup of soccer..
As to whether TH at his best will toy LD at his best, that we won't know. All we know is Taufik's last big match & win vs. LD occurred at the start of TH's downhill career and LD's rise to the top career (2006 MS AG)..It also coincided around the same time the new scoring system was implemented..LD's fans could also argue Taufik didn't play the best or 2nd best player in the world during the 2004 OG (Shon Seungmo); while LD played against arguably the 2nd best player in the world during the 2008 OG..Eventually, comparing TH vs. LD, they'll just look at how many major titles (individuals only) LD & TH have collected in each back pocket..
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As I said, even FA cup dont really matter anymore even in England. So the oldest tournament does not really mean the best. Today we have OG and WC, so why treat AE any better or even on par with them, to me AE is just another SS. Just like INA SSP that LD has not won.
Oh yes we know..... how about WC final 2005?? whos shaky hand were shown on the TV screen??
Oh yes we know..... how about WC final 2005?? whos shaky hand were shown on the TV screen??
ctjcad
Regular Member
FA only applies in British/UK/England; it's almost like a national championship. National vs. world. That's the difference with AE, the rest of the world still respects AE's history. It was literally the World Championship and/or the Olympics of badminton from the onset.
As mentioned in other threads, OG is special because of its rarity; badminton event could even be wiped out from the Olympics in the future..and then what?..WC was or used to be a bit special because it was held every 2 yrs; not anymore but there have been talks the format will revert back to every 2 yrs..
Btw, for those curious about LD vs. TH's H2H record, see this thread, post #4 by bananakid:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/for...ead-to-head-record-between-Lindan-and-Taufik?
As mentioned in other threads, OG is special because of its rarity; badminton event could even be wiped out from the Olympics in the future..and then what?..WC was or used to be a bit special because it was held every 2 yrs; not anymore but there have been talks the format will revert back to every 2 yrs..
Btw, for those curious about LD vs. TH's H2H record, see this thread, post #4 by bananakid:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/for...ead-to-head-record-between-Lindan-and-Taufik?
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I say it again: even in England FA cup is not even as popular anymore. The reason I mentioned that in post 413 is that I know that you will regard FA cup as national competition whereas AE is an international one. I hope by now you get the comparison if not then I give up 
ctjcad
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I think it depends. I'm sure there are still those (die hards FA fans) who feel the FA Cup or league cup still holds some importance; up to each individuals & (die-hard) English futbol supporters..
Is it not as popular in England/UK/British because it's remained a limited tournament? That there are bigger tournaments out there? That fans yearn for their team to get a bigger (world) audience and approvals? And the rest of the world's best players actually play outside of the FA?..
As is, AE, WC & OG hold importance partly because they all involve the rest of the world..
Is it not as popular in England/UK/British because it's remained a limited tournament? That there are bigger tournaments out there? That fans yearn for their team to get a bigger (world) audience and approvals? And the rest of the world's best players actually play outside of the FA?..
As is, AE, WC & OG hold importance partly because they all involve the rest of the world..
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Quoted from Peter Gade's facebook:
[h=6]Peter Gade
But still, I’m very proud of the match and the way that I played. Todays final between Lin Dan and Chong Wei was a wonderful match and even tough there’s a lot of feelings in watching this for me, I simply enjoyed the match and the fact that I was on the podium today. Lin Dan is the true winner of this tournament and his mental attitude today in the final was simply second to none. In my point of view he is the best player in the history of the mens singles.[/h]
There you go as told by an evergreen.
Agreed, coming from Peter Gade, himself an excellent player who has played against all the top players these last ten over years. Also the great Morten Frost said so - that Lin Dan is the best ever - when asked this question by Jo(Gillian) Clark in one of their joint commentaries during the just -concluded BWF World Championship 2011.
pBmMalaysia
Regular Member
Absolutely, Lin Dan is simply The Greatest !
Do you all remember last year at the Thomas Cup 2010, the match between Lin Dan and Lee Chong Wei in the CHN-MAS Semi-Final? Lin Dan was awesome, total domination,master class,just like his Beijing Olympic victory over Lee CW, winning in style with a score of 21-17 and 21-8 ! Imagine 21-8 in the 2nd game, who can do that to Lee CW?
And he proved it again this year (thoiugh the score was much closer,but that's not the point) by winning the World Championship for the 4th time, against none other than Lee CW. One more time, look how he tamed Sho Sasaki in the just-concluded Li Ning China Masters, a not-easy-to-beat world ranked number 9 player, by a score line of 21-15,21-6!
Anyway,in my humble opinion,the best testimonial or confirmation is from other great badminton players, whether his peers or past masters, and you have two of them saying so: Peter Gade and Morten Frost.
Well,somebody might think of a way to poll all the top 50 players in this generation and as many of the past renowned players as possible, including coaches, to see who they regard as "The Greatest of All Time". I am sure their views count more than ordinary amateurs or nobodies like me.
Do you all remember last year at the Thomas Cup 2010, the match between Lin Dan and Lee Chong Wei in the CHN-MAS Semi-Final? Lin Dan was awesome, total domination,master class,just like his Beijing Olympic victory over Lee CW, winning in style with a score of 21-17 and 21-8 ! Imagine 21-8 in the 2nd game, who can do that to Lee CW?
And he proved it again this year (thoiugh the score was much closer,but that's not the point) by winning the World Championship for the 4th time, against none other than Lee CW. One more time, look how he tamed Sho Sasaki in the just-concluded Li Ning China Masters, a not-easy-to-beat world ranked number 9 player, by a score line of 21-15,21-6!
Anyway,in my humble opinion,the best testimonial or confirmation is from other great badminton players, whether his peers or past masters, and you have two of them saying so: Peter Gade and Morten Frost.
Well,somebody might think of a way to poll all the top 50 players in this generation and as many of the past renowned players as possible, including coaches, to see who they regard as "The Greatest of All Time". I am sure their views count more than ordinary amateurs or nobodies like me.
undeadshot
Regular Member
Sometimes, being the best player is not only about titles won. It's about how they play the game, and how dominant they are.
Lin Dan is also there.
Lee Chong Wei is a little behind in this aspect, but far behind in terms of titles.
Lin Dan is also there.
Lee Chong Wei is a little behind in this aspect, but far behind in terms of titles.