Need help on Smash Technique

Discussion in 'Techniques / Training' started by csandres, Aug 14, 2022.

  1. ralphz

    ralphz Regular Member

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    In reference to the tago video, mason writes

    Some issues with that Tago video is when he demonstrates a footwork for some kind of a scissor kick at 12:38, he doesn't really show loading off the back foot. And you yourself mentioned loading off the back foot as something that should be done.

    Maybe It might sometimes be reasonable to do a scissor kick where the back foot isn't loaded But you wrote of loading the back foot.

    And also, when tago's video shows that young person, doing the scissor kicks, the camera isn't well positioned and doesn't show the feet.

    The short video that wannaplay showed is very good, 'cos you can see what the feet and legs are doing, and in a proper scissor kick.
     
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    Nice video. Quite a lot of excellent information to go through for training the basic footwork via intermediate steps.
     
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    Still waiting for the throwing shuttles video

    In the meantime, this tutorial was made for this thread. Note the 90degree angle of the elbow in preparation.

     
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    Some e.g. Axelson does and he does, though if one notes that, one could also note the < 90 degree angle at the elbow in preparation here

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    And your point is?
     
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    My point is that if your point is to note an angle in the preparation that is used by top players when they prepare their rackets then it's worth noting that they won't all choose / use a racket prep with that angle there.. Or if your point is to note an angle in the prep that he is using, it's worth noting that that's a great prep but there are other great ways too that don't use that angle. Like the one I mentioned that maybe you'll agree doesn't use that angle.
     
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    In my experience with teaching, keeping things simple for the learner is easier. If you start explaining all the variations that can occur, the beginner gets confused with multiple inputs.

    Given that the badmintoninsight explanation of the positioning illustrates very well to the OP a better elbow position that is appropriate to his level of play, I would leave it at that for the OP to work on.

    Might I say that a lot of players who play in county teams and tournaments can also have a lot of variation in their overhead technique but will have limits to their ceiling for improvement
     
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    Well, one could say there are some different ways but they can try this one which has the characteristic you mention...

    The level of detail of what is gone into and at what depth, can be adjusted according to the context.

    I think sometimes what seems to happen in badminton generally, far moreso outside of a discussion forum, is one person says something that is over simplified and dogmatic that this is the way, and then somebody else hears it and gets dogmatic months or years or even the rest of their life, that that's the way, taking an oversimplification as gospel. And even intermediate and even maybe some advanced players start stating and sometimes even believing the over-simplifications, . And some correction to that is to show that there are these different ways, and for a point that there are different ways, even without an essay, an image can prove the point. Not for the purposes of addressing a beginner in the manner of "now it's time for you mr beginner, to learn lots of detail about all these different ways at the same time"
     
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    The context is that the OP prepares the overhead with his elbow at the height of his umbilicus.

    The context is that Greg and Jenny teach positioning the elbow just below the level of axilla.

    In the context of learning really basic foundation skills very well, I thoroughly recommend it.
     
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