Penalty for Lin Dan

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penalty for Lin Dan

  1. no penalty

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  2. small fine - (< US$1000)

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  3. large fine - (> US$1000)

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  4. suspension for 1 SS

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  5. suspension for 2 SS

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  6. Large Fine &Suspension

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  1. cooler

    cooler Regular Member

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    I love it when u show us your true color.
    I don't need to resort to name calling, my comments are strong enough to stand on its own.
     
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    There are plenty (in fact, I think vast majority) of Chinese athletes who are well-adjusted. In fact, I don't think there is anything wrong with Lin Dan except for some arrogance, which is something champions occasionally get afflicted with, or something that is neccessary for one to be a champion.
     
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    For better or worse, X Ball has never shown any false colours.
     
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    Wow, the solution to one the of biggest issues of badminton - popularity of the sport. Right in front of our eyes. Just have consistent linejudging.

    How I wish it were that easy. I don't think that badminton will be popular just by cleaning up the linejudging. If it truly is the solution, BWF must indeed be blind.

    What is "cheating of prize distribution"?
     
  5. cooler

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    one more thing, nothing insulting of course ..
    "I hope you are true to your words"

    btw, i will bookmark this post, just in case u might forget one day.
     
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    was john penalized for the conduct? did he paid a fine or something. i don't know the answer. this is a genuine question.

    please dont resort to name calling. he has the right to his own opinions as you are, and this will only lead to this thread being locked again. you dont like his opinion you can always ignore him. i hope everybody will be more calm in putting forth their arguments.

    i have to agree with you on this. :) and i will add that if the kid was in fact guilty of starting the fight or stealing then he should still be referred to the authority even though he was beaten because being beaten did not justify him getting away with his wrongdoing. :)

    absolutely right. aggression was never the thing that made badminton attractive to its faithful players. we, in fact, always thought of it as a gentleman's sport. the violent conduct of LD might have put badminton in the news but unfortunately not in a good way. so linejudging MUST be improved in order to not let this happen again.
     
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    Haha, you missed my sarcasm. But never mind. I agree with your statements above.
     
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    Ummm...

    Folks, let's keep this debate civil ;)
    This is our forum, not the Korea Open
     
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    i missed them on purpose. :)

    the moderator has spoken.....:p;)
     
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    I wonder if any of us can truly confess and say we that we have not once lost our temper, broke the traffic rules, gone against some school regulations/company's policies.
    I believe Kwun meant well when he started this thread. Unfortunately, it has been reduced to this stage. I still maintain that words written and spoken in an abusive way are equally 'violent' because they hurt the human emotions and self-esteem.
    I confess I am no angel and am glad that I am constantly reminded by people around me about the evil of being prejudiced & unforgiving.

    Happy Chinese New Year to all who are celebrating the Lunar New Year.
     
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    Terima Kasih Kawan.
     
  12. azabaz_ipoh

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    cooler, i cannot find the info on the video clip you referred to. the john mcenroe clip. but i found this :

    quoted from the site http://www.all-about-tennis.com/john-mcenroe.html


    "Taking Time Out
    By 1986, the pressures of playing at the top had become too much for John McEnroe to handle and he took a six-month break from the tour. It was during this sabbatical that he married the actress Tatum O'Neal with whom he would eventually have 3 children (Kevin, Sean, and Emily). When he returned to the tour later in the year, he won three titles. However McEnroe never seemed to be able to recapture his very best form again. In 1987, McEnroe failed to win a title for the first time since turning pro. He took a seven-month break from the game following the US Open, where he was suspended for two months and fined US$17,500 for misconduct and verbal abuse."

    even mcenroe was penalized. and he is also a famous pro player. so LD should be penalized too right? :)
     
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    No, but if I get caught and then punished accordingly, I have no right to complain. Normally, I only try to violate rules when no one or at least no authority is looking. I have never tried it while the whole world is watching, not that I have this chance.

    People who are proven guilty should be punished, but after that the incident should not be brought up anymore. That is my view.
     
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    unfortunately, i have posts only pointing out facts, no name calling, deleted. U can find many posts where X ball had call people with abusive words, undeleted.

    I also never go hide behind my comments with some native or foreign language here.
     
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    Not really if you look at the Law which mentions "in play" ie even during a rally:

    13 FAULTS

    It shall be a 'fault', if, in play, a player ...

    But the main point brought up by cooler was on "throwing a racket" by a player and whether the Law had something on this.

    The Law based on what I have stated was only a mild breach when the shuttle is in play and the penalty is only one point lost.

    But there was nothing on punishment on the kind of racket throwing by LD. :)

    P.S: OK, I read you wrongly. Thought you referred to "service" only. But I did admit it is not totally relevant.
     
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    the bylaws are kinda vague on LD(racket throwing) and LM(shoving people) behaviors. The referee has the power to disqualify LD, that is clear, and LHI could wins by default immediately but referee didn't exercise that option, maybe because of confusion or the referees thot the situation was under control. BWF involvement came to light only when Korea team launched formal complaint. I know some are opininated about LCW losing at 07 CO. If malaysian team feel bad judging was instrumental to LCW's lost, they should launch formal complaint to the BWF.
     
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    Please state which section of the Law provides for the Referee's disqualification option as you mentioned? :rolleyes:
     
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    it was how I've interpreted it
     

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    My youtube link on Mcenroe was just a reply to Xball's claim that Mcenroe had never threw a racket at anyone before.
     
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    Interesting point you brought up on Law 16.7.2.

    However, I wonder what flagrant offence means?

    The Oxford dictionary says "flagrant" is "conspicuous, blatant".
    It goes on to say that "conspicuous" means "cleary visible, attracting notice or attention" and "blatant" means "open and unashamed".

    Looks like LD's act has all the ingredients of the above.

    And to further substantiate by looking at the word "offence", it means "an act or instance of offending (cause to feel hurt or resentful, break a commonly accepted rule of principle); resentment or hurt.

    So LD could be disqualified on the above counts, yet the umpire was lenient not to do so.

    I wonder if LD should be disqualified whether he could still receive his runner-up prize money or earn any WR points. :eek:
     
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