Why LCW can't beat LD

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  1. renbo

    renbo Regular Member

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    I did not say others don't have pressure, I said people react differently to pressure. Learn to read bloke.
    LCW, like many very talented and hard working player, is a choker.
    CL can also be a choker. Time will tell if he matures differently.
     
  2. renbo

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    I agree with you but for CL, if the H2H with LCW shows consistency by CL, it is not always the case against other opponents, as CL lose in early rounds more often then LCW. But that might reflect the different priorities of the two players, LCW putting emphasis on SS, CL preparing for the big ones.
    But the recent loss in the Thomas cup was indeed a big one, and on the AG's team event as well. That shows CL is not always the master of his nerves.
     
  3. renbo

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    Which is only natural I would say
    LD said himself on many occasion : one cannot win them all and losing is a part of the game
     
  4. mindreader

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    Let me start by reminding you that this is a Lee Chongwei vs. Lin Dan thread. The reason I brought up Chen Long is to show that there is a gap (a gulf in fact) between the two. Whereas Lin can still reliably beat Chen Long, Lee Chongwei can no longer reliably do so. That alone shows the gap, as opposed to some mythical "mental gap" that some members here espouses. Since you agree with Lin being superior to Lee, there really wasn't a need for you to respond.

    If your point was that Chen Long is still unreliable, I'm inclined to agree with that, due to his age. If your point was that there is very little difference in abilities between Chen and Lee, I'm inclined to agree with that too, though as I mentioned, the match-up is increasingly favorable towards Chen as he matures/enters his prime.

    But the topic at hand? Lin is better, that's all that needs to be said.

    Lee Chongwei may very well be a choker. What you have done however, is attempting to explain his losses to Lin Dan as exclusively because he's a choker. As the head to head record is increasingly skewed, that is becoming an even more untenuous position even if one didn't think that the case to begin with.

    By the same token, Hu Yun didn't lose to Lin Dan either. Obviously he "choked" on the big one. Heck, if we allow such indulgence, all losses can be attributed to "mental block" as opposed to skills. That's a funny position to claim.

    Except that I'm not claiming that Chen Long lost due to his nerves now, am I? I'm saying that he's losing because he isn't good enough. He's getting there but not quite there yet. I don't think Chen Long "choked" in the Thomas Cup. I think he didn't PLAY WELL ENOUGH. And his form even prior to that tournament was questionable. Those are not "mental" questions. Those are "skills" questions.

    Losing one is expected. Losing several is a trend. Losing with a overwhelming head to head record means that other player is better.
     
  5. renbo

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    My reply was to Justin's quote, not to you. Learn to read bloke.
     
  6. mindreader

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    I read just fine. But you're points are so asinine I felt compelled to respond. Logic obviously wasn't your forte, bloke.
     
  7. Tybalt

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    Why is everyone speaking so venomously? Chill, people. Excessive patriotism makes you look stupid.
     
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    I always respond when someone misunderstand my posts, be it accidentally or on purpose to make some sort of point. When you implied I had stated in some form that LCW was in fact a better player than LD, I corrected you. While I like LCW much better and assume (from what I can see on TV/in tournaments) that he is a much nicer person, there is no disputing that LD is in fact the better badminton player.
    Personally I disagree on the LCW/LD vs CL thing - being coached extensively against one player and not at all against another will make that other guy look a lot better, but I'm tired of arguing the same points again and again just to have you skip over them conveniently and instead distort another part of my argument. Let's just come to the agreement that we appear to have different views of the 3 players, other than LD being the best of them.


    I fully agree. Although I guess most involved in the discussion are rather avid fans (or haters) of particular players rather than patriots :D
     
  9. Tybalt

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    Good assessment. I'm still trying to work out why this sport attracts so much vitriol in the mainstream fanbase as opposed to just the fringes. It's fanatical and in no healthy way.
     
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    Wow, you guys are still at it!!!

    Because nowadays there are too many Jia You fans and they can't accept it when their idols are being bashed.

    For me, as a badminton fan, currently, it is LD>CL>LCW.
    Period.
    Go home, wash your car, do some gardening and come back here on Oct 24 2014.
     
  11. nokh88

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    Saw this today : Hmmmn..exactly what I said earlier.
     
  12. renbo

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    I think it is not particular to badminton. I think football forums and tennis forums develops the same kind of foolishness. May be because of young age? I noticed obsessions about ranking is common among young folks.
     
  13. Jonc108

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    Badminton = bad mind tons = tons of bad mind = lack of logic, unfortunately
     
  14. Tybalt

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    But it's around the fringes in other sports. You never hear Chicago Cubs fans theorise about how the Yankees cheated because they paid the referee who was actually a 00 agent lizard creature and the solar system aligned into a specific arrangement at the precise moment Derek Jeter went to bat such that it made a gravitational situation in which it was easier for him to hit homeruns, thus explaining how they lost 23 - 9.

    You have the Wei Wei diehards making up these incessant excuses for his losses and demonising Lin Dan as if the world is made up of real life comic book heroes and villains; then you have the Chinese acolytes who would lop off their own arm and throw it into the path of an egg that was headed for Lin Dan's face.

    The stuff you hear some head coaches of the sport talk about even makes you roll your eyes. There's a conspiracy at every turn in badminton! If they ever commission a book about the sport they'd need to hire Robert Ludlum to write it.

    I know these people exist in all sports, but in badminton the paranoia and fanaticism seems to run in the mainstream. I dunno. I'm not super confident about this and maybe I'm making a big deal of it all, but it has seemed this way to me for a long time.

    That's as good a theory as any!
     
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    林丹--李宗伟交手纪录

    (2014-08-28统计)
    全部战绩统计:林丹27(36)9李宗伟
    国际羽联统计:林丹23(32)9李宗伟


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    33 2012-03-12 全英公开赛决赛 林 丹 21-19/6-2李退赛
    32 2012-01-08 韩国公开赛决赛 李宗伟 12-21/21-18/21-14
    31 2011-11-26 中国公开赛半决赛 林 丹 19-21/21-12/21-11
    30 2011-11-19 香港羽毛球超级赛半决赛 林 丹 21-17/21-14
    29 2011-11-11 四大天王争霸赛决赛(非正式) 林 丹 21-19/21-12/22-20★
    28 2011-08-14 伦敦第19届世锦赛决赛 林 丹 20-22/21-14/23-21
    27 2011-03-13 全英公开赛决赛 李宗伟 21-17/21-17
    26 2011-01-30 韩国公开赛决赛 林 丹 21-19/14-21/21-16
    25 2010-11-21 广州亚运会决赛 林 丹 21-13/15-21/21-10★
    24 2010-09-26 日本公开赛决赛 李宗伟 22-20 16-21 21-17
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    22 2009-11-24 东营国际巅峰对抗赛(非正式)林 丹 21-18/21-19★
    21 2009-09-19 中国大师赛半决赛 林 丹 22-20/15-21/21-7
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    19 2009-03-15 瑞士超级赛半决赛 李宗伟 21-16 21-16
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    16 2008-08-17 北京第29届奥运会决赛 林 丹 21-12/21-8
    15 2008-05-16 第25届汤姆斯杯半决赛 李宗伟 21-12 21-14
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    13 2007-12-02 香港公开赛决赛 林 丹 9-21/21-15/21-15
    12 2007-09-15 日本公开赛半决赛 李宗伟 21-19/21-15
    11 2007-07-14 中国公开赛半决赛 林 丹 15-21/21-14/21-15
    10 2007-06-14 第10届苏迪曼杯小组赛 李宗伟 21-17/21-17
    09 2006-09-02 香港公开赛决赛 林 丹 21-19/8-21/21-16
    08 2006-07-23 澳门公开赛决赛 林 丹 21-18/18-21/21-18
    07 2006-06-25 台北公开赛决赛 林 丹 21-18/12-21/21-11
    06 2006-06-18 马来西亚公开赛决赛 李宗伟 21-18 18-21 23-21
    (决胜局林丹20:13被翻盘)
    05 2006-01-22 全英公开赛半决赛 林 丹 15-9/10-15/17-14
    04 2005-11-05 香港公开赛半决赛 林 丹 4-15/6-15
    03 2005-07-10 马来西亚公开赛决赛 李宗伟 17-15/9-15/15-9
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  16. sange

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    as for the information from the two sides, that is equal. the results of the matches prove LD is better than LCW. LCW is no match for super Dan.
     
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    Can you please translate?
     
  18. jkkwongnz

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    This record showed that LCW can beat LD. He beat LD nine times in his career so far. No one else can achieve this.



     
  19. badrad

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    Looking at the win loss ratio, LCW is due for a win against LD. Depending on the penalty imposed on the doping incident, as to when he can play again.
     
  20. julianng

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    Will LCW beat LD in WC ??

    or everyone just tired of watching LCW play these days...
     

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