Thanks for visiting us!

Badminton Central is a free community for fans of badminton! If you find anything useful here please consider registering to see more content and get involved with our great community users, it takes less than 15 seconds! Everybody is welcome here.

Click here for a FREE account!

Help with Stroke Please!!

Discussion in 'Techniques / Training' started by Mason, Mar 15, 2018.

  1. Mason

    Mason Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2018
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    36
    Location:
    Buffalo NY
    Thank you for the feedback
    I had a few practice strokes not included in this video where I was able to reach higher for the shuttle and it looked decent
    I have a bad habit of allowing the shuttle to drop too low when I hit it
     
  2. LenaicM

    LenaicM Regular Member

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2018
    Messages:
    453
    Likes Received:
    293
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    France
    Some serious progress imo! Keep it up!
     
    Mason likes this.
  3. Mason

    Mason Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2018
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    36
    Location:
    Buffalo NY
    I appreciate the kind words !
     
  4. Mason

    Mason Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2018
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    36
    Location:
    Buffalo NY
    Here are my shots from yesterday. After all of the games i was able to practice for around 45 minutes on my defensive lifts and also on my drops
     
  5. Mason

    Mason Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2018
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    36
    Location:
    Buffalo NY
    Here are some of my drops in practice
     
  6. Tactim

    Tactim Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2010
    Messages:
    922
    Likes Received:
    59
    Occupation:
    Nurse
    Location:
    Nor Cal
    Overall I think better footwork preparation to get behind the shuttle is what stands out most, letting you behind the shuttle and get a good shot. How many times have you hit your partner's head in the red shirt on a smash? He puts his racket behind his head almost every time he's in the front and you're smashing in the back LOL!
     
  7. Mason

    Mason Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2018
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    36
    Location:
    Buffalo NY
    Yes my footwork is an issue, I’ve been working on that at home as much as I can. I’ve never hit my partner in the back of the head !!
    :p
     
  8. Tactim

    Tactim Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2010
    Messages:
    922
    Likes Received:
    59
    Occupation:
    Nurse
    Location:
    Nor Cal
    Whoops, sorry I think I worded my post vaguely. I meant to say that your footwork in preparation for the shot has GOTTEN better since your previous videos. And well, hitting your partner in the back of the head, it will happen eventually. I wonder if that particular person has had a bad experience in the past =P.
     
  9. Mason

    Mason Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2018
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    36
    Location:
    Buffalo NY
    Hahaha, well I’m happy that progress is seen! I will continue to work on it though !
     
  10. Mason

    Mason Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2018
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    36
    Location:
    Buffalo NY
    Here are some smashes I did in practice ...
    I feel like there has been much improvement from even a couple months ago
     
  11. Mason

    Mason Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2018
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    36
    Location:
    Buffalo NY
    I had a great night. I played 4 singles games to start and then non stop doubles games. I was able to play with the top 3 players at this club for two games which was very fun and also helped me to play at a higher level. Tuesdays are always lower body weight training for me, so having that fatigue along with a very long night of singles and doubles badminton I feel like i played very well considering.
    I have been trying to have my clears,drops and smashes all be pretty much the same stroke which is think i was able to do.
    Here are my shots are in reverse order fromm the end of the night to he beginning.


    I was also able to do a considerable amount of practice shots. Here are some drops, drives and smashes. This was the first time that i tried to use the same stroke on my smashes as i do with other shots, i attempted more pronation. Smashes start at 1:35 of the videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQoQDQXFgzk

    Any feedback of course would be appreciated.

    Once edited i will post the two games that i played with the top 3 players at this club.
     
  12. Mason

    Mason Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2018
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    36
    Location:
    Buffalo NY
    Here are the two games that I played with the top 3 regular players at our club.


     
  13. MSeeley

    MSeeley Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2009
    Messages:
    2,049
    Likes Received:
    726
    Occupation:
    Professional
    Location:
    England
    I think you are improving nicely. Your movement is slowly getting better and your drop shots are much better. You are also starting to make use of a more articulated "stick smash" type motion on occasion, where you use primarily the forearm and wrist, without much follow through.

    If I were your coach, I would say your smash has been getting worse for the last few videos as I feel your grip is too far towards panhandle. You are obviously doing pretty well with it, but I don't think its as good as it was a few weeks ago. I reckon if you improve the grip once more, you will have more power available to you, and the possibility of hitting a more elegant overhead with a higher and hence more threatening contact point.

    Good luck!
     
    Mason likes this.
  14. s_mair

    s_mair Regular Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2013
    Messages:
    3,604
    Likes Received:
    1,783
    Location:
    Germany
    My advice: Spend as much time as possible on court with those three. This will boost your overall game more and more sustainably than another 500 posts in here. Also, try to get some singles matches going with them. They will wipe the court with you in the beginning if they go all-in, but this will force you to improve your court coverage, footwork and everything that goes along with it automatically. Just compare your movement and posture in those two clips to the previous ones. Like night and day.

    Regarding your smash technique, there is one thing that I still really dislike and which has been discussed a couple of times already - that weird side-to-side oscillation motion when you try to do a scissor kick (watch the legs):

    upload_2019-3-1_7-40-49.png . upload_2019-3-1_7-41-23.png upload_2019-3-1_7-43-7.png

    It gets worse the harder you try to force a hard stroke. You do not generate any momentum or power in direction of the stroke with that and you end up in a bad position to initiate any follow-up movement towards the net. I won't comment on any other aspect of the overhead movement since you have the real BC-experts already around to take care of that way better than I could.

    Watching the latest couple of clips, I get the impression that maybe you are forcing it a bit too much and with that, you lose the lightness that is needed. Looking at that first screenshot, I can almost see your white knuckles from squeezing the handle. Try to loosen up a bit and maybe think about reducing the frequency of your video documentaion. IMO it's very, very hard to spot real progress if you don't give yourself a bit of time to internalise some things in between. With the level you have reached now, the learning curve will inevitably get less steep and level out compared to the very beginning.
     
    DarkHiatus and Mason like this.
  15. Mason

    Mason Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2018
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    36
    Location:
    Buffalo NY
    Thanks for the feedback. I hadn’t noticed my grip changing to panhandle on the smashed. I will work on that !! Thanks again
     
  16. Mason

    Mason Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2018
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    36
    Location:
    Buffalo NY
    Those is all good stuff. I have been trying to work on my scissor kick more in practice while smashing but I’m not consistent enough for it to carry over into games. Staying loose like you mentioned I think is a problem too.

    I wish I could play with those guys all the time but it just doesn’t happen. I did play a couple games with a better player than me in singles and he whooped me 21-3 and then 21-6.....

    Overall I really enjoy recording my games and watching how I can improve. And although it’s hard to see improvement week to week , sometimes I can go back from even 2-3 weeks ago and see improvement.
     
  17. MSeeley

    MSeeley Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2009
    Messages:
    2,049
    Likes Received:
    726
    Occupation:
    Professional
    Location:
    England
    Just to be clear - I wouldn't conclude your grip is now a panhandle, but in my view it is getting too close towards a panhandle away from the correct grip. The grip really changes the arm mechanics and creates a stroke that has a very different shape.
     
    Mason likes this.
  18. Mason

    Mason Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2018
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    36
    Location:
    Buffalo NY
    Ok that’s for clearifying !
     
  19. Obito

    Obito Regular Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2017
    Messages:
    152
    Likes Received:
    62
    Location:
    Bangkok
    Totally agree with you. Try to train on more footwork since most of the time you didnt have enough time to get in position.
     
  20. Mason

    Mason Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2018
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    36
    Location:
    Buffalo NY
    After watching many of my shots from last night I’ve started to revert back to closer to panhandle so I need to make a conscience effort to fix that on a Wednesday. I’m still working on my footwork as much as I can at home to try to get behind the shuttle better. My last game of the night I payed a singles game with a player who is much better than me and lost 21-5. Hahaha but I feel playing singles helps my footwork for doubles
     

Share This Page