Lin Dan VS Pete Gade tomorrow?

[ctjcad]

Yes and you're welcome..

Thanks ctjcad for the information. So even if LCW loses in WC he will still retain his world #1 ranking. I know there has been many BC'er arguing that LD is really the world #1 because he has won more major tournaments but I think that is a false impression. I know I am going to be shot at for my following comments but hey that is why I walk around with a bulls eye. I think the definition of champion with regards to world ranking does not only mean that you are better technically, mentally or strategically but also how long you can sustain that level of intensity. The argument that LD is superior to LCW both technically and strategically does not at this moment mens he is better. He also need to prove that he can sustain this level for longer which means he needs to prove that he can do this as long as LCW. That basically means he need to play as much as LCW in international tournament. If he can do this and gets higher ranking at the end of the year than LCW then there is no debate.
I am not sure if this is an appropriate tread to post this comment or there already exist a tread for this I leave to the forum guardian to decide.

Yes, there have been numerous threads & discussions dedicated to the argument you're trying to present. Heck, we might even re-start this whole debate pretty soon, again...
Here are the 2 sides of the debate:
- LD had already proven that he could maintain as WR #1, in the last couple or so yrs. I know he should participate in more tourneys like what LCW is doing. But i think LD's goal or main focus right now is to maintain his physical condition and to just select tournaments he deems worthwhile to participate in til 2012 Olympics.
- LCW can have and brag abt his WR #1, but to many, without him having a major title(s) securely placed in his back pocket, the WR will be for naught.

And neither LD or LCW will come in 2nd place in this yr's WC (one will be eliminated in the Semis)..
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..i meant to say, "And neither LD or LCW will come in 2nd place in this yr's WC (one will be eliminated in the Semis should they meet each other)"..

you also need to look at the points they lose and there is only a limited number of tournaments counted... so you have to substract the lowest counted, which could be very different from both players...

what i refer to is, this is only calculation... doesn't tell you much about lin dan...as some of you already noticed. many players get points, because they attend tournaments and get ranking points and can attend next tournaments to get ranking points...top 20 in WORLDranking doesnt mean much, take Charmaine Reid from Canada for example (no offense)...

For the 1st part & 2nd parts, i understand. But the query was abt for this particular WC's total pts. If you want to divulge more abt pts accumulation til end of the yr, please open up a new thread for a new discussion. Thanks.

 

[drifit]

Friday August 14, 2009

Christensen says pressure on Lin Dan to beat a veteran like him

ONE had said that the other is the favourite for the world championship men’s singles title.
But when “old man” Peter-Gade Christensen of Denmark and super attacking player Lin Dan of China meet today, they will be holding nothing back to get the better of each other in a crunch quarter-final match.
Christensen was on top of his game yesterday to beat Chan Yan Kit of Hong Kong 21-11, 21-12 while Lin Dan ended the gallant run of Dicky Palyama of Holland with an impressive 21-11, 21-11 win to show that they were shaping up well for the big match today.
The 32-year-old Christensen said that Lin Dan was the favourite and would be the one under pressure to beat him.
“So far, everything is good and this is exactly where I want to be — an opportunity to play against Lin Dan in the quarter-finals,” said the Dane.
“All the pressure will be on him. He will not want to lose to an old man like me.”
Christensen has promised to throw everything he has to beat the overwhelming favourite.
“He is a fantastic player but he is not invincible. I beat him in the China Masters (two years ago). It is rare for a player to beat him in his own country.
“I believe I have that tiny bit of chance against him. And I will give all my best out there tomorrow. I have been playing well since the Olympic Games and I am going to go out there fighting for every shot throughout the match.”
Lin Dan beat Christensen in the quarter-finals of the Beijing Olympics last year and it was one of the best matches of the Games.
The two-time world champion was cool over his chances and admitted that Christensen would be a tough nut to crack.
“He is the best European player and I have to admit that he has been playing quite well since the Beijing Games,” said Lin Dan.
“He is a good player and I will not take him lightly. I will be very prepared for the match and what is important is to give my best out there tomorrow.”


from: the star

 

[limsy]

..no...And neither LD or LCW will come in 2nd place in this yr's WC (one will be eliminated in the Semis)..

Currently:
LCW (WR #1) has 76000 pts
LD (WR #5) has 51040 pts

BWF ruling states:
- Winner of WC gets 12000 pts
- Runner up of WC gets 10200 pts
- 3/4 (Semifinalists) of WC gets 8400 pts

In case LD wins the WC, he will get 63040 (51040+12000) pts
In case LCW loses in the Semis, he will get 84400 (76000+8400) pts

However, if LD plays in more tourneys the rest of the yr and wins them, then he has a chance to finish as #1 at yr's end. Depends also if LCW continues to play the same amt of tourneys & how well he finishes in each tourney.

and remember that lindan need to win wc to defend his og gold point,lcw also need to defend the runner up point in og

 

[yourbestfriend]

yepp, should be a really good match. i actually see a lose-lose situation for gade. 2 scenario's.
1) he goes all out the first game, wins it, slows down a little in the second loses it, and tries to play his hardest in the third, but in the end, he doesn't out fitness LD.

2) he goes all out the first game, loses it, then doesn't have too much left in the tank and then loses the second as well.
obviously there are billions of other scenarios, but imho i think these are probably two of the most probable.
personally i hope gade does well, i dont wanna see him get blown outta the water.

 

[ctjcad]

Really??..

and remember that lindan need to win wc to defend his og gold point,lcw also need to defend the runner up point in og

..who's actually keeping count of those??..

yourbestfriend, the 3rd scenario is: Gade loses-wins-loses....a lose-lose-lose scenario...

 

[limsy]

..who's actually keeping count of those??..

yourbestfriend, the 3rd scenario is: Gade loses-wins-loses....a lose-lose-lose scenario...

i prefer old bwf website as i can help counting the wr point,but i cant now
change back the wr website,bwf

 

[extremenanopowe]

I am predicting an upset based on the seedings.

 

[ctjcad]

i prefer old bwf website as i can help counting the wr point,but i cant now
change back the wr website,bwf

..the new BWF website is undergoing maintenance. I know they haven't had their full servie and links updated (like head to head link, players profile link, WR links etc.). So, hope it'll be updated and up & running again, soon..

I wonder though, if LinDan were to lose vs. Gade, will that deflate the excitement of the MS field??..

 

[limsy]

..I wonder though, if LinDan were to lose vs. Gade, will that deflate the excitement of the MS field??..

slightly but not all

 

[danielwong]

LD sure win
maybe easy win....

 

[drifit]

.................. ding ding ding .............
i have the results
LD shall fall under PG and LCW will rise as the WC09 champion.

 

[limsy]

.................. ding ding ding .............
i have the results
LD shall fall under PG and LCW will rise as the WC09 champion.

good good good
but,we will never know
if peter good enough to beat ld here,he might also beat lcw

 

[staples]

Friday August 14, 2009

Christensen says pressure on Lin Dan to beat a veteran like him...
The 32-year-old Christensen said that Lin Dan was the favourite and would be the one under pressure to beat him.

“All the pressure will be on him. He will not want to lose to an old man like me.”

Peter Gade is full of talk. The Dane usually shows a lot of confidence but then only to lose in the match. Nevertheless a great ambassador for this sport! Unfortunately this is the end of the road for Gade at the Worlds. Of course unless Lin Dan receives a death threat. haha

Gade is not bad of a player but he just can't match up to Lin Dan's level.
Lin Dan has beaten Gade when the latter was in his prime. Now it will be even easier.

 

[staples]

Yes. Three times if I remember well.

The latest was during China Master 2006.

Gooooooooo Peter

I think that was in the semi's too. In the final I believe he lost to Chen Jin.

 

[SibugiChai]

I think Peter Gade will win because of Yonex superior Technology

 

[Jonc108]

- LD had already proven that he could maintain as WR #1, in the last couple or so yrs. I know he should participate in more tourneys like what LCW is doing. But i think LD's goal or main focus right now is to maintain his physical condition and to just select tournaments he deems worthwhile to participate in til 2012 Olympics.
- LCW can have and brag abt his WR #1, but to many, without him having a major title(s) securely placed in his back pocket, the WR will be for naught.

..i meant to say, "And neither LD or LCW will come in 2nd place in this yr's WC (one will be eliminated in the Semis should they meet each other)"..

well said. I doubt how long "badwally" has been following the badminton sport in the last 10 years...

After sitting on WR#1 spot comfortably for so many years, won 2 WCs in a row and OG last year, LD has reached a stage that he is no longer in need to prove anything to anyone.

He decided to take a comparatively good rest, not care about WR#1, therefore missed so many competitions, not because he is not able to sustain good level of playing.

To me, to certain extent, on one hand,
- LD after 2008 OG is like TH after 2004 OG, achieved a big win, no more need to prove himself as the top player of the sport, and re-think about his career strategy, may switch and concentrate on major title competitions...
- LCW after 2008 OG is like LD after 2004 OG, suffered a big set-back, keen to prove himself in the following years, want and need to win everything.

on the other hand,
- LD-after-2008 would not be like TH-after-2004, TH laxed a lot after 2004, lasks of training, more concentrate in his own private life, plus problems in his national team, and therefore no longer able to sustain his level of play consistently. LD is more determined in dedicating himself to badminton sport and therefore would not allow himself to lax (although he may play in fewer competitions but concentrate on major ones).
- But I doubt LCW-after-2008 could be able to achieve the same achievements that LD-after-2004 was able to achieve between 2005 to 2008. He may be able to retain WR#1 for some time (as LD may not be interested to take it back by entering every competition to regain the WR points), may be able to take 1 o 2 of the major titles (amongst the 3 AEs, 3 WCs and 1 OG up to 2012 from now, SC and TC is too remote as he doesn't has a good enough national team, given that WC is now once every year).
- And don't forget that as LD is determined to focus on major titles now, he would also win many (at lease 1 or 2, or even more) amongst these chances, And I further doubt LCW could be able to level his head-to-head record with LD given that LD would be subject to less fatigue and injury problems by entering fewer competitions, although LCW for sure could beat LD once or twice a year, like every year in the past.

so don't worry LCW fans, I guess he should be able to retain the WR#1 ranking for quite some time. But everyone knows how desparate LCW wants to win a WC, and perfectly by beating LD on the road... therefore if LCW could not beat LD and take this WC, it would really hurt him...

However, personally I really and hugely doubt at the end of their career, as an ultimate judgement on their overall achievements, LCW would be as great as LD as many LCW fans like to claim....

 

[Jonc108]

Peter Gade is full of talk. The Dane usually shows a lot of confidence but then only to lose in the match. Nevertheless a great ambassador for this sport! Unfortunately this is the end of the road for Gade at the Worlds. Of course unless Lin Dan receives a death threat. haha

Gade is not bad of a player but he just can't match up to Lin Dan's level.
Lin Dan has beaten Gade when the latter was in his prime. Now it will be even easier.

Gade and even the current LD are humble gentlemen, showing respects to fellow players, unlike the arrogant talks from Malaysian team, see the link below if you know Chinese....

http://sports.sohu.com/20090813/n265913810.shtml

this just show how desparate people around LCW wants LCW to win... too bad that such desparation and selfish will could twist humanity to such rude manner and make me look down on them...

 

[yyclub]

I support PG.
In order to have a chance, he need to take 1st set. If LD take 1st set, it is as good as gone.

 

[SibugiChai]

After sitting on WR#1 spot comfortably for so many years, won 2 WCs in a row and OG last year, LD has reached a stage that he is no longer in need to prove anything to anyone.
....

On the contrary, I belib LD has a lot to prove because of his new Sponsor Li NING!

how ironic if LD start losing after using Li NIng?

 

[kwun]

this is worthy of a poll.