TH or Lin Dan to final Hongkong SS

taufik-ist said:
or he may have been a dead man walking already, like zombie.. no soul and no feeling.. he can't die twice :D :D
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then why TH fans love talking to a zombie? I thought dead man, like zombie, can't talk? Have u watched any movie with zombies? Zombie don't like the cold but i'm cooler:p I dunno any zombie that plays badminton?
 
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chiill out, cooler;)
u must be cool..
this thread is talking about lin dan or th to the final...
not u vs ye333 to the hong kong open final:D:D
 
cooler said:
then why TH fans love talking to a zombie? I thought dead man, like zombie, can't talk? Have u watched any movie with zombies? Zombie don't like the cold but i'm cooler:p I dunno any zombie that plays badminton?
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this zombie is unique.. he can talk and surf internet :D :D :D
 
taufik-ist said:
this zombie is unique.. he can talk and surf internet :D :D :D
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funny how u keep changing your definition of a zombie
Anyhow, according you,
this zombie can talk
this zombie can surf internet
this zombie can play badminton
this zombie plays badminton like a machine (no soul)
this zombie is unique
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hell, I'm LIN DAN, TH and TH fans nightmare

LOLOLOL.
You should be privileged to talk to LIN DAN:):):)
 
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cooler said:
not long ago, when simon santoso was winning, i thot he was INA's savior...
then when soni kuncoro had a mini comeback, i thot he was the next INA's savior... Now TH. The spinning is making me dizzy.
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oh oh... i have medicine for you... want some??? maybe hipnotic sedative? so you can have a very good sleep, don't need to see the match...

better to take care your health...:p:p:p
 
come on , Lin Dan!
Lin Dan should win this match

really...LD vs TH make me more nervous than LD vs LCW...dunno why
maybe because despite of TH's performance lately..he's still considered as one of great badminton player in the world and also an arc nemesis for Lin Dan

let the best match comes tonight...

JIA YOU, LIN DAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
ye333 said:
Such nonsense. If LD is that strong, why don't he finish PSH in 2 sets like he did in OG? Why don't he finish LCW like he did in OG?

Should I remind you there is this important thing called "form"?
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Yet PSH still lost the last 3 encounters with LD, he is no match for him even though he may push him here and there.
He'll probably get lucky on a LD bad day, but that's like once in a few months due to boredom and other commitments.
 
ye333 said:
Did you read my post? I wrote clearly for LD "2006 AG (x2)". :confused:

Also what I said is, the very purpose of talking about H2H before a match is to extrapolate. To predict using history. The HKO Walking-out cannot contribute to this purpose. It's still early in the first game. No one could know who will win. Give you another example here. If some person talk about Simon Santoso vs LD and use Simon's 07 Swiss win to support his opinion, then he should be reminded that LD couldn't finish due to injury. He can put that into H2H if he wants, but that will make the H2H less precise and less useful.

Ya right. A person who didn't even bother to read the post he's replying writes "fairly".
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Walkout due to rage and other personal egotistic reasons should not be compared with that of an genuine injury.
 
volcom said:
Walkout due to rage and other personal egotistic reasons should not be compared with that of an genuine injury.
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Uhh, HELLO.... The whole point is to get an idea of where they stand against each other by how things have gone in the past (not always totally accurate, but can give you the general idea). How on earth can you count a "match" that only lasted a few points?

ENOUGH with the "TH is a selfish git", "LD is the image of purity" nonsense. It's NOT NEEDED.

cooler said:
So according u you, walking out when LD vs Th at 20-18 should also not count
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This is a PERFECT example of missing the point entirely! It may be an "official match", but for the purposes of using head to head to gauge where a player stands against another it is NOT suitable! A match almost concluded is totally different to a match that barely started. Lets use an absolutely outrageous example as seems so popular - say I was playing Lin Dan, and he made lets say... 3 early mistakes (anything can happen), and then for some ungodly reason decided to walk out (yeah right - but like I said - outrageous, maybe he remembered he had a dental appointment or something...). Would you then say I won the match 3-0 and now stand at a 1-0 H2H against Lin Dan? Hardly... Don't bother nitpicking that example, I said it's outrageous, but the point is there.

A match needs time to come to it's conclusion, and a perfect example is the MD just now between Fuzzys and KKK/TBH, if the match had finished early, who could have known Fuzzys would come back and win it? Therefore you can't base a win (a real win earned through being the better player on the day) on a few points in THIS CONTEXT.

cooler said:
I think u write things in biased way. I write them fairly.
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You can think what you want, but I think you need a serious reality check...

cooler said:
here is a better and more accurate version of your analogy
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Uhh huh. Always better, always right eh? >_>
 
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cooler said:
there is a different between a WO and a withdrawal. IN 06 HKO, it was i think 4-1 for LD before TH walks out. BWF disciplinced TH, BWF did not disciplined Zwiebler, A BIG DIFFERENCE. In 06 HKO, the match had started and TH conceded or defaulted. That counts as head to head. I think u write things in biased way. I write them fairly.

In 06 AG, there were 3 head to head encounter between LD and TH, LD won both earlier matches and TH won the last 06 AG head to head. By only counting the last win by TH and not counting 2 earlier lost to LD is unfair in a head to head tabulation. If u r gonna count H2H, count them all.
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You never write fairly about TH.......
 
phaarix said:
Uhh, HELLO.... The whole point is to get an idea of where they stand against each other by how things have gone in the past (not always totally accurate, but can give you the general idea). How on earth can you count a "match" that only lasted a few points?

ENOUGH with the "TH is a selfish git", "LD is the image of purity" nonsense. It's NOT NEEDED.



This is a PERFECT example of missing the point entirely! It may be an "official match", but for the purposes of using head to head to gauge where a player stands against another it is NOT suitable! A match almost concluded is totally different to a match that barely started. Lets use an absolutely outrageous example as seems so popular - say I was playing Lin Dan, and he made lets say... 3 early mistakes (anything can happen), and then for some ungodly reason decided to walk out (yeah right - but like I said - outrageous, maybe he remembered he had a dental appointment or something...). Would you then say I won the match 3-0 and now stand at a 1-0 H2H against Lin Dan? Hardly... Don't bother nitpicking that example, I said it's outrageous, but the point is there.

A match needs time to come to it's conclusion, and a perfect example is the MD just now between Fuzzys and KKK/TBH, if the match had finished early, who could have known Fuzzys would come back and win it? Therefore you can't base a win (a real win earned through being the better player on the day) on a few points in THIS CONTEXT.
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same analogy as caught speeding. Insurance rates will go up if they received notice that u were caught speeding. That is how they penalize u for future risk of auto accidents, even if your speeding was only 10 mph and did not caused any damages. It is counted in their record. Insurance company will not overlook this just because u were only 10 mph over speed limit. Insurance business is based entirely how they measure your risk premium versus their reward. They are statistic analyst expert.

A H2H statistical analysis must include all H2H encounters, especially official matches. If u say a match stop at 4-1 is invalid but a match stop at 20-18 is valid, what score is needed before it is considered a valid match??????
When TH step onto the court, and after the umpire said 'play', the match is valid. Even if TH had WO at 0-0 score for any voluntary reason, TH had lost.
TH quit voluntary. Beside for involuntary reasons like injury or an act of nature ( terrorist attack in stadium), any voluntary WO is a lost, even at score 0-0. If u accept a WO at score 20-18 as a valid lost, the same WO logic applies to 0-0, or 4-1 score as well.
 
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cooler said:
same analogy as caught speeding. Insurance rates will go up if they received notice that u were caught speeding. That is how they penalize u for future risk of auto accidents, even if your speeding was only 10 mph and did not caused any damages. It is counted in their record. Insurance company will not overlook this just because u were only 10 mph over speed limit. Insurance business is based entirely how they measure your risk premium versus their reward. They are statistic analyst expert.
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Speeding is speeding, badminton is badminton. When speeding, you're not comparing two players. It's a "yes you are speeding", "no you are not speeding scenario". Analogies are clever and all, but they have to be very relevant to have any weight. This one is only relevant if you're arguing about whether the match was a loss or a win. And that's not what I'm arguing. Anyway I'm not going to change your opinion.

cooler said:
A H2H statistical analysis must include all H2H encounters, especially official matches. If u say a match stop at 4-1 is invalid but a match stop at 20-18 is valid, what score is needed before it is considered a valid match??????
When TH step onto the court, and after the umpire said 'play', the match is valid. Even if TH had WO at 0-0 score for any voluntary reason, TH had lost.
TH quit voluntary. Beside for involuntary reasons like injury or an act of nature ( terrorist attack in stadium), any voluntary WO is a lost, even at score 0-0. If u accept a WO at score 20-18 as a valid lost, the same WO logic applies to 0-0, or 4-1 score as well.
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The difference between 4-1, and 20-18 is night and day. Those were the examples given, so those were the examples used. Obviously there's no exact line at which point it crosses over, but you can just use common sense and work out for yourself whether a match was close enough to completion to get a fair idea of who was better on the day. Who could possibly know for sure how that HKO 06 match would have turned out if it had gone the full distance?

And still you're not getting the point - The difference between an official match, and a match which actually contributes to a halfway useful statistic. Yes, Taufik lost the match. Jeeezz I'm not denying that... I'm saying it's not useful to include it statistically IF you're going to use that statistic as basis for an argument (based on comparison).
 
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