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who's to blame for the match throwing?

Discussion in 'Olympics LONDON 2012' started by kwun, Aug 1, 2012.

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who's to be blamed for the match throwing?

  1. The players are at fault for throw matches

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  2. BWF is to blame for implementing group structure

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  3. no one / other are to be blamed.

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  4. both players and BWF are to be blamed

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  1. Staiger1

    Staiger1 Regular Member

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    Well done.......Gail , well spoken

    To blame : Players , BWF----GROUP Stages..........

    I hope badminton is not going to loose out ,,,,,,,and finger-cross it is in the next Olympic as well , since badminton is one of the best sport in the world .

    In some way , this have a very negative impact for the sport and left a sour taste surrounding the sport
    and no-one is a winner here....

    and hopefully this will be forgotten in a while cause this is too damaging to the sport and its reputation .....

    it takes so long to build the sport up , and only take a few to hurt the sport
     
  2. charedblack

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    It is NOT the players or the BWF fault!

    It is the coaches fault and their fault only! Li Yongbo is the all mighty dictator that has to be banned from ever setting foot in a stadium ever again!
     
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    It is NOT the players or the BWF fault, it is the coaches fault their fault only!

    I struggle to understand anyone who says its the players fault! Obviously they lack the knowledge of the sport to understand how it works! We all know that they just do as they are told by their coaches! And if they dont do as they are told, they are just replaced by the next in line! In countries like China their 10th best player is still a world top 20 player! So you do as Li Yongbo tells you! Thus he is the almighty dictator at fault!

    The BWF put in place a system that is fail for emerging countries to compete on the biggest stage! The key word there is 'compete'! The Olympics is about having a go and that seems to be lost on many of the eastern cultures who fail to understand the spirit of the games!

    Dont blame the system, blame the coaches!
     
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    Maybe BWF set it up like this to give the associations one last chance to show integrity and respect to the sport and in turn knowing if they didn't it would force themselves to grow a set of balls and start dealing with all this s**t.
     
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    Thanks to BWF for building this faulty meritless foundation.
    Never makes sense in any sport to have the top two seeds play each other so soon in the competition.
     
  6. suetyan

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    should blame BWF at first. If the new system was not implemented, all these will not happen. In the end of the OG, if Tian/Zhao did not win, Li Yong Bo should blame himself.
     
  7. Heong

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    I just don't understand why the officials are over-reacting

    It's their very own system they solely created... this stupid group system and shouldn't ever happen again, I'm up for the elimination routine
     
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    Agreed, I hope they hand out suspension for coaches and NA's too
     
  9. Voltric

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    Badminton gets its support from ticket-paying fans and TV rights to broadcasting. It indirectly pays for sponsorship of the Super Series (who'd want to sponsor if no one watches these games?). It's a bit short sighted (and not to mention unprofessional) to behave the way they did in the recent matches.
     
  10. maofthun

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    Apparently, in their final group game, the Japanese women's soccer team also manipulated the result to purposely finish second in their group:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...yers-lose-in-challenge-to-olympic-spirit.html

    Here's a direct quote from a player:

    So how come these soccer players didn't get expelled?
     
  11. thunder.tw

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    Fair question. I'll throw a few guesses (bear in mind these aren't meant as justification or excuses)

    1. It's soccer, who can tell one 90 min period of boredom from one contrived 90 min period of boredom.

    2. There is a long and proud tradition in soccer of 'playing not to lose' rather than playing to win. Often resulting in 90 mins of 'keep away'.

    3. Soccer is the most popular game on the planet. It's unlikely that the actions of the Japanese (women's team no less) is going to have much effect on the popularity or image of soccer as a sport.

    4. It's the Japan's women's team. For a badminton analog imagine Canada throwing a doubles match to Australia. Can't really see much of a stir resulting. Now imagine Brazil and Argentina fixing a soccer match in the Olympics.

    5. For this to be even a parallel to what happened in Badminton you would need to have seen Japan upon scoring a goal follow up equalizing by kicking the ball into their own goal. At least the Japanese managed to under perform without making a mockery of the game.

    6. Who cares about soccer. I could probably dredge up better examples of poor sportsmanship/cheating in Olympic history. Would me doing so excuse the actions of the WD players? Is anything ok as long as you can sight a worse example?
     
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    I can surely agree with you on that part. But then you'd also have to add:

    For BWF:

    Every format/system/rule you set out is now your responsibility to enforce or see that the rule is not stupid, and applicable. You are answerable. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. You made the format change (even though it hasn't ever been used in Olympics, and there was no need to change), you should be punished as well. If you let the coaches walk, I can understand if the President can scapegoat the ones who come up with the idea. But blaming coaches for direct orders etc. Okay sure. President of BWF signed off on all major decisions right? Therefore, President of BWF MUST resign after this. Changes must be made right?

     
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    Nothing about anything was right. The only real lesson I learned here is that you can still tank or not try. You just can't be THAT obvious about it. Or if you are going to make such a ruling, you must set out effort level, how MUCH do you have to try, and scope it over all the events and tournaments. I'm looking at you Taufik and all the high level players. No more backhands and having fun! You have to TRY!


     
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    for those who think the round robin system is the problem which caused the foul play
    this is like blaming people for too rich to get robbed or blaming people for too pretty to be raped.
    no?
     
  15. ioc_boss

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    I am an observer and see these news. It's a real shame on badminton. Especially the top executive.
    Please support your own country to try their best whenever they play. Walkovers and giving points away is very unprofessional. Image tarnished.

    Who is this Lund guy? Shame on him. Shame on China for being the first culprit to initiate this also.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olym.../London-Olympics-badminton-scandal/56668034/1

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/olympics/la-sp-oly-spirit-of-games-20120802,0,2029408.story
     
  16. Dungbeetle

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    International Soccer, like the World Cup, will play the pool games at the same time so you won't know for sure who you play if you win or lose, so that this doesn't happen. It happend with Germany and someone before where both teams got who they wanted with a tie and they did play keep away for 90 minutes. Everyone said that was real bad and from then on they played at the same time from then on.
    On ESPN Radio today SVP said it that losing on purpose was a smart move to play weaker players in the next round. If your goal is to advance, it is difficult to argue against.
    Winning should always give you a better chance to advance. If a lot of players lookat at it different, whomever set it up should be to blame not the players.
     
  17. King's

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    It is like, right before the NBA Playoffs (to a lesser extent soccer, statistically upsets are higher, luck plays its hand a bit more) some teams lose to get better seeding or purposely lose to avoid more dangerous teams thereby effectively paving an easier on the way.

    The whole thing must be restructured.
     
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  18. sonnymak

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    Those who put the blame squarely on BWF are missing the point. Whatever system you put in place there would always be people who cheat and try to beat the system. The problem is not the system or format but lack of integrity and ultra nationalism of the cheaters.

    Instead of condemning the cheaters, players, coaches and national associations we are condemning the watchers.

    These cheaters have no love for badminton.

    I am glad the IOC have come out hard on these cheats. BRAVO!!!!!!
     
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    Someone once said that in order to be the best, you must defeat the best. It is no point one strategies to meet easy opponent in the earlier rounds, if you are the best in the world you will beat any opponent tough or easy long the way.
     
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    The players/coaches are far from perfect. However, BWF is to be blamed because they are the one with power. They created a system which (potentially) reward people for losing (or using your term: cheating), and they are well aware of that! (or they are just simply stupid). On top of that, for so long this similar kind of behavior has never been punished by BWF.

    It's sad that probably BWF will get away with this by solely blaming the players. I read somewhere that they even got praised by IOC for being strict...
     

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